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To: big'ol_freeper
"This must include Eve, whom God created immaculate, i.e. free of sin. Mary's preservation from sin by God's grace, both at her conception and throughout life, is what makes her greater than Eve, who fell from the grace in which God created her."

It is a lie to teach that any human being, other than Jesus (the God-Man), was, or is, sinless.

"ALL have sinned....". It doesn't say, "except Mary".

But then ... to those who want to believe that a human being has God's authority to _add_ doctrine to Scripture ... that is just a minor detail.

35 posted on 12/22/2001 10:03:45 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
Luke 1:28 "And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women."

This would be impossible if Mary were touched by any sin, since every sin diminishes grace. No other human is referred to in this manner in Scripture.

But then ... to those who want to believe that a human being has God's authority to _add_ doctrine to Scripture ... that is just a minor detail.

I assume you hold this opinion of Luther for adding the word "alone" to Romans 3:28 and his attempts to discard James, Esther and Revelation and the actions of others who choose to freely edit those parts of Sacred Scripture that did not fit their new doctrines and opinions.

38 posted on 12/22/2001 11:11:27 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Matchett-PI
To those that insist, against all scriptural and historical proofs, that sola scriptura is anything but a new false gospel created 500 years ago, the Truth seems to be a minor detail.

The bible is not a catechism. It is not nor ever was intended to be the sole rule of faith. Jesus built a Church (He never wrote a book), gave it a hierarchy, gave it authority, and the promise of the Holy Spirit to lead it to all Truth, and the promise that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. To that Church He entrusted the bible, and the authority to teach it, and teach from it, the doctrines and dogmas of Christianity.

That Church is the Church of Rome (and to a certain degree the orthodox churches) for this Church is the ONLY one that draws its lineage directly back to the apostles and Jesus Christ Himself.

If Rome teaches error, then Jesus Christ LIED when He said, "I will be with you always," and "what you hold bound on earth will be held bound in Heaven," "the Holy Spirit will lead you to all Truth" and (most importantly) "The gates of Hell shall never prevail against you."

Of course, if Jesus lied, and did NOT protect HIS CHURCH from error, he is not God. Therefore all other Christian denominations are false religions too, if Rome teaches error, and you and I should be atheists.

41 posted on 12/22/2001 12:44:16 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Matchett-PI
From Genesis:

I will put enmity between you and the woman [Mary], between her offspring [Jesus]and yours.

Main Entry: en·mi·ty
Pronunciation: 'en-m&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Etymology: Middle English enmite, from Middle French enemité, from Old French enemisté, from enemi enemy
Date: 13th century
: positive, active, and typically mutual hatred or ill will
synonyms ENMITY, HOSTILITY, ANTIPATHY, ANTAGONISM, ANIMOSITY, RANCOR, ANIMUS mean deep-seated dislike or ill will. ENMITY suggests positive hatred which may be open or concealed <an unspoken enmity>. HOSTILITY suggests an enmity showing itself in attacks or aggression <hostility between the two nations>. ANTIPATHY and ANTAGONISM imply a natural or logical basis for one's hatred or dislike, ANTIPATHY suggesting repugnance, a desire to avoid or reject, and ANTAGONISM suggesting a clash of temperaments leading readily to hostility <a natural antipathy for self-seekers> <antagonism between the brothers>. ANIMOSITY suggests intense ill will and vindictiveness that threaten to kindle hostility <animosity that led to revenge>. RANCOR is especially applied to bitter brooding over a wrong <rancor filled every line of his letters>. ANIMUS adds to animosity the implication of strong prejudice <objections devoid of personal animus>.

If Mary had enmity with Satan, she was his enemy. She had noting to do with him. She had not evil. She had not sin. The Immaculate conception is scriptural, its right there in Genesis. Of course, if your own personal interpretation of scripture differs from that of 2000 years of constant teachings, under the authority granted by Christ to His Church, via the Holy Spirit, then I would reexamine your own personal interpretation of scripture.

42 posted on 12/22/2001 12:52:12 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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