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To: week 71
I heartly agree with you. We are so busy tearing one another down instead of building one another up. A point that I have mentioned several times in this thread is that we can ( and always do ) find a website that either supports what we believe or tears down what another believes.

The whole discussion ensued when someone asked for another's opinion of Joyce Meyer. Opinion. Meyer's ministry is a ministry for women. She teaches women practicality to apply in their everyday lives. All of a sudden this woman teacher is out of God's will. Has God specifically told others that she is out of His will? I mean, here is a woman who has a mistry for women. She is not a pastor of a church. She is not in leadership over a male congregation. Yet, she is out of God's will because she ministers to women. I would venture a guess that those who have cast Meryer in this light have never heard her messages. I mean really heard her ( follwed along with Bible in hand ). Comments were then posted revealing others who had taken parts of her books, teachings, tapes or what have you and torn them apart citing her as a false teacher. Well anyone can do that to someone to prove their point. One could take Jesus' statements out of context and present Him as a false teacher.

655 posted on 01/05/2002 6:42:40 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: PleaseNoMore
OK, I've cooled off. :-) Listen, I stated on this thread many posts ago that I'm not aquainted withe Meyer's teaching, so I am not in a position to criticize her. I expressed concern with her association with the Word of Faith movement (a theology which I don't want to debate anymore on this thread). If her ministry targets women then I honestly don't have a problem with that, for my wife goes to a women's Bible study lead by the Pastor's wife. I view this thread because I've enjoyed the many topics of discussion that have been provoked.

If the subject of eternal security continues to be discussed I will probably continue to look at this thread, because this has been an in-house debate for centuries. To throw in my two cents... when Jesus says we have eternal life I take eternal literally, not until you sin yourself out of the Kingdom, and I also do not see how one can be "un-born" again. Now there are definetly some difficult verses (Hebrews 6, and some passages in Revelation about blotting ones name out of the book of life) which is why the debate has been ongoing. cheers

663 posted on 01/05/2002 9:09:17 AM PST by week 71
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