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To: PleaseNoMore
"My name's sake" as you have quoted appears in only 18 verses in the Bible with the quote "name's sake" appearing in only 30. In the OT the Hebrew "shem" is the word name is translated from meaning reputation which in no way refers to the literal ( proper )name of God. Whereas the Greek word "onoma" used in the NT does refer to the proper name of Jesus.

You have quoted 2 verses that indicate that God maginifies His word..and yet you dismiss 18 -30 verses where he speaks of His name.

It is rather like the Mega Charasmatic Church I attended for years where the gifts were more sought and more recognized that the one that gives them. The gifts were used to as a "proof" of a believer spirituality rather than a expression of the God that gave them..

That quote was revelant..we have to be careful to remember the power belongs to the one that speaks the word..not in the word itself

57:15 For thus saith 559-1 the high 7311-6 and lofty 5375-12 One that inhabiteth 7931-6 eternity, 5703 whose name 8034 [is] Holy; 6918 I dwell 7931-4 in the high 4791 and holy 6918 [place], with him also [that is] of a contrite 1793 and humble 8217 spirit, 7307 to revive 2421-53 the spirit 7307 of the humble, 8217 and to revive 2421-53 the heart 3820 of the contrite ones. 1792-12

Strongs says Shem..My Hebrew/English concordance says Sem .I would go with the Hebrew concordance first (which by the ways has pages and pages of Sem...not a handful)

477 posted on 01/01/2002 10:52:05 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
That quote was revelant..we have to be careful to remember the power belongs to the one that speaks the word..not in the word itself

That is a quotable quote. And I think it has been reversed in many Christian circles. People seek what's on the Master's table rather than the Master. There seems to be a notion that there is somekind of magic in words. cheers

479 posted on 01/01/2002 11:01:11 AM PST by week 71
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To: RnMomof7
Call your local temple and ask the Rabbi the correct usage of the word. Shem is the proper noun used for the word name. I called my 80 yo grandfather's ( who is a Jew ) Rabbi and friend and shem is what he says is written. Even the concordances should be verified.

Luk 3:36 Which was [the son] of Cainan, which was [the son] of Arphaxad, which was [the son] of Sem, which was [the son] of Noe, which was [the son] of Lamech,. Clearly an example of a Jewish name.

Scriptural Definition of the word "Name" This will prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the word "Name" not only means "character and reputation" but also a literal written and spoken name.

This is the definition of the Hebrew word "shem" which is translated as "name" all throughout scripture

Shem; a primitive word [through the idea of definite and conspicuous position]; an appellation, AS A MARK or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character: - + base, [in-] fame[-ous], name[-d], renown, report.

As you can see from the above definition, Yahweh's name is not only represents His character but the Name Yahweh is also HIS MARK! What is a mark but something that is written? The Name YAHWEH also is His memorial of individuality. This definition goes hand in hand with scripture:

Exodus 3:15-AV And Elohim said moreover to Moses, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me to you: this [is] my name for ever, and this [is] my memorial to all generations.

Even God's special name - spelled Yud-He-Vav-He - indicates the "I AM"/eternal nature of God. The three related Hebrew words, "haya" (was), "hove" (is/exists), and "yiheyeh" (will be) are all spelled with the same letters found in God's special name.

This special name is often translated as JeHoVaH or YaHWeH. The letters Y and J are often interchangeable among various lessons, likewise the V and W and the vowels were never assigned. This special name of God, also called the tetragramaton, was only uttered or voiced by the high priest on Yom Kipur, the day of atonement. In normal Hebrew reading, Jewish people substitute word "Adonai" (Lord) or the phrase "Ha Shem" - which literally means "the name". In many modern Bibles, the special name of God is written in all capitals, such as "LORD" or "LORD".

The word Shem, in Hebrew, actually means “name.” Yeshua, the Great I AM, is Hashem (THE NAME) Himself. I don’t believe that is a mistake in Scripture, either. Rather a weak interpretation or misspelling in your Hebrew concordance.

482 posted on 01/01/2002 11:38:08 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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