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The Worst Gift Idea of the Holiday Season [Segway Scooter]
Tech Central Station ^ | December 21, 2001 | Brock Yates

Posted on 12/21/2001 7:40:14 AM PST by IowaHawk

Here we go again. Yet another mechanical miracle guaranteed to break the American love affair with the automobile. Following limited success via mass-transit buses and light rail, bicycles, jogging shoes and assorted urban people-movers, we now have the Segway HT as the latest antidote to shatter our century-old habit of relying on the ol’ flivver in the garage for routine travel.

In case you’ve missed the rhapsodized coverage of the Segway HT by the elite media —which never misses a chance to remind us that our automobiles are our greatest enemy —the Segway HT (“Human Transport”) also known as “Ginger” is a gadget that can turn a couch potato into an Olympic sprinter with the twist of the wrist. “Hey, was that Donovan Bailey crossing the intersection?” “Naw; Rosie O’Donnell on the way to the studio.”

Consider that the Segway HT, which looks like your neighbor’s power mower without the blade and the bag, will haul a normal-sized biped at speeds up to 12.5 mph, which is roughly three times the velocity attained in normal walking. An impressive pace, which can be maintained for up to 17 miles before re-charging the battery.

It’s presumably operable by anybody smart enough to grip the handlebars. Lean forward and it moves ahead. The more you lean, the faster you go. Same for reverse. A twist of the hand and the Segway will turn on a dime. It will not tip over. It’s all in the gyroscopes and tilt sensors that make up what its creators call “Dynamic stabilization.”

Dean Kamen, the inventor and leader of the Segway design team headquartered in environmentally aware Manchester, NH, is one bright guy. He holds over 150 patents in the fields of medical devices, climate control systems and helicopter technology. This is his first crack at ground-based transportation, based on the conventional wisdom that the automobile is a lousy people hauler in urban situations where 80% of the world’s population hangs out.

So Kamen, backed by big investors Credit Suisse and First Boston and aligned with industrial giants like Delphi Automotive, IBM, GE Plastics, Michelin, etc. set out to create a device that won’t make the car smaller, but the pedestrian larger — at least in the context of mobility.

Kamen & Co. reckon that every day Americans drive 1.35 billion miles on trips of five miles or less. If only 10% of those miles were traveled with Segway HT’s, maybe 6.2 million gallons of gasoline — or 2.6 billion gallons per year would be saved. And of course the environment, air quality, urban space, etc. would also benefit.

Great idea. On the computer screen. Imagine hundreds of thousands of citizens zipping along the sidewalks of America’s major cities on spindly little Segways. A beautiful vision, right? Now think of Beijing or New Delhi, where insect-like swarms of bicycles sluice along the major thoroughfares. Think about the last time you dodged a kid blazing down a big city sidewalk on a 10-speed. Think about the center cities of Athens, Rome and a hundred other European towns where automobiles have been supplanted by screeching mobs of motor scooters. Filthy, noisy, crude little beasts compared to the Segway HT, but similar in theme and mission. And don’t think about one-handing a Segway while clutching an umbrella in Seattle or Portland or donning a snowmobile suite for winter travel in Chicago or Boston. And don’t think about the added strain on the already-over loaded electrical power grid when millions of Segways plug in for a re-charge every day. (Remember, at the end of every electric-powered-vehicle fantasy stands a smokestack.)

The Segway HT is a thoroughly ingenious device. But so was the General Motors EV1 electric car that turned out to be a hopeless failure. Short range, low power and absurd battery recharging cycles killed it. The Segway may have terrific potential for postal delivery, warehouse mobility, law enforcement, theme park touring, etc. and a bright future in developing countries, although supplanting the lighter, cheaper bicycle and the faster motor scooter may be difficult, especially at a proposed cost of about $3000.00.

The technical brilliance of a concept does not assure success. Example: The Honda Insight hybrid will get over 50 miles per gallon in city driving with ease. It is tiny, quick and nimble. It is the cleanest mass-produced vehicle on earth. Environmentalists celebrated it as a breakout automobile. The media was charmed by it. It is a relatively cheap (about $20,000), reliable, weatherproof, comfortable commuter vehicle. It will run 100 mph on the highway and still get over 40 mpg. It will carry two passengers rather than one. It is the best urban automobile available along with its larger, slower four-seat rival, the Toyota Prius. Yet the Insight, for all its environmental wonderment, has sold only 4,000 units in America this year. But Honda planned on moving 6500 of the little beauties, meaning that on-paper enthusiasm for this environmentally friendly vehicle far surpasses its marketplace appeal.

Were I a member of Mr. Kamen’s talented team, I would be advising him to take a very hard look at the Honda experience before I geared up for really big production.


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To: IowaHawk
IT may find a market in airports and warehouses but who the heck wants to stand while commuting. Even a bicycle offers the rider a seat!
41 posted on 12/21/2001 10:02:27 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Lokibob
A whole bunch of points are being missed here. When the personal computer was first proposed at IBM, the forecasted a market of less than 10. LOL

Point well taken. My first computer (bought in 1990 for $700 on sale) had no hard drive, 64K of RAM and ran at about 8 mhz. No Internet; you connected to local bulletin boards. There was Compuserve, but at $12.50/hour, it was a damn expensive chat.

Nerdness coming out here: As heard from the man who claimed to be "turned into a newt" in Monty Python and the Holy Grail...

"It got better."

Automobiles were something between a joke and a rich man's fad for their first 15 years. Those got better, too.

My point is, that while Kamen maybe has invented nothing worthwhile here, maybe he has. It's too early to tell.

"640K ought to be enough for anybody"

Bill Gates actually said that in the early days.

42 posted on 12/21/2001 10:05:00 AM PST by ihatemyalarmclock
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To: big gray tabby
"...do men who like those bikes attract chicks?"

It usually helps if you're wearing a beret, smoking a Galois, and swilling cheap wine.

Vehicles and their estimated Hot Chick Attraction Factors:

Segway scooter: 0.4 (4.8 at TrekCon)
'74 Custom Astrovan w/ murals, bubble portholes, waterbed & shag carpet: 1.3
'86 Mazda GLC with 'Dominos Pizza' sign: 1.9
'91 Honda Civic with ground effects, spoiler and 4" exhaust tip from Pep Boys: 2.6
'86 Chevy 4x4 mudder with peeing Calvin sticker and rifle rack: 3.3
1971 Buick Electra 225 Superfly Pimpmobile: 3.7
Cadillac Escalade w/ 21 inch Gangsta rims: 5.3
Deuce roadster: 6.3
Jesse James Coast Chopper: 6.8
Jag X-8 7.5
Ferrari 360 Modena: 9.6
Gulfstream V: 29.8

43 posted on 12/21/2001 10:05:52 AM PST by IowaHawk
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To: Timm
No offence taken. I sheepishly admit that the oddity of the device strongly appeals to my geekier side; the balancing technology fascinates me, though. I can't convince myself of the logical practicality of the machine for specifically the reasons you cite, but I still think it has to be really cool to pilot. The only advantage over a bike for me would be ease of storage in my condo (bike in locker, Segway in closet) but even I can't use that as justification for the price differential. Still want one.

In all honesty, I think the biggest obstacle to consumer acceptance for the current design, even for early technology adopters that will but anything new, is theft. That's an expensive little toy to leave out on the street even if it won't operate without the "key"

Cheers!

44 posted on 12/21/2001 10:16:47 AM PST by mitchbert
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To: big gray tabby
I'll amend my last post with a clarification. The proper vehicle for attracting women depends on the kind of quarry you're trying to bag.

For instance, Vespas are handy if you're seeking a slightly insane, Sylvia Plath-type beatnik poetry chick. Jacked-up 4x4 are a good lure for rural Missouri trailer honeys. Lap dancers at Scores go for them NFL-gangsta rim Escalades.

I think the Segway might be a powerful afrodesiac for all those hot chicks in the Dungeons & Dragons club.

45 posted on 12/21/2001 10:25:59 AM PST by IowaHawk
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To: IowaHawk
You could pick up the Sylvia Plath chick, but you probably couldn't do her unless you committed a crime, like in Restless. She's just going to suspect that you're as big a geek as you likely are.

That's the universal "you," not the 'Hawk "you."

46 posted on 12/21/2001 10:56:33 AM PST by big gray tabby
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To: big gray tabby
In my neighborhood, the proper vehicle is the Volvo Cross-Country with the pet cage in the back. Rainbbow suspenders complete the West Side Jewess-stalking Trick-Out.

Make sure you make a bad impression on her friends--it guarantees first date sex because there ain't gonna be a second one.

47 posted on 12/21/2001 11:01:03 AM PST by big gray tabby
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To: big gray tabby
Them Volvo XCs are big around these parts, too. Along with Benz M230s/M430s, Lexus RX300s, BMW X5s and Audi Allroads.

Very useful for attracting the middle-aged harridan J.A.P. Cell Phone Soccer Mom of your dreams.

48 posted on 12/21/2001 11:09:39 AM PST by IowaHawk
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To: IowaHawk
That Audi All-Road is a stank-ass ride. Ugly as a Sumo's butt inside and out.
49 posted on 12/21/2001 11:24:41 AM PST by big gray tabby
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To: eno_
Can you operate the Segway with one hand? If not, it excludes me from using it. Not that I am that interested anyway.
50 posted on 12/21/2001 11:25:04 AM PST by Number_Cruncher
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To: r9etb
It has alway been viewed as a niche device.
The inventors are interested in profit.

Personally I see it as a golf cart alternative.
This is more an urban very short distance vehicle.

Of course if you own a theme park to you really want
these two wheel wonders ziping all over the place?

Finally note: any vehicle which is individual based
and not mass transit is good.

51 posted on 12/21/2001 11:38:42 AM PST by aabbccddeeff
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To: aabbccddeeff
It has alway been viewed as a niche device.

That doesn't square with their hype about "redesigning cities" around it.

The inventors are interested in profit.

Probably so. However, in its current form I can't see it supplanting its primary competitor, the bicycle.

52 posted on 12/21/2001 11:43:30 AM PST by r9etb
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To: FreedomFarmer
Here get on my segway, I get behind you.
Now I just need to lean forward and off we go...
53 posted on 12/21/2001 11:47:42 AM PST by aabbccddeeff
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To: IowaHawk
"To put this into context, for $8000 I can buy two Boattail Buick Rivieras..."

We all know this thing will BE a Riviera in know time.

Soon will come the airbag, seatbelts, AM/FM/8-track/Cassette/CD-changer-DVD player, cell-phone mic/speakers/dc-adaptor, power-lumbar, etc accessories and before you know it, you're checkin' the color charts to try and make your "Segway-Riviera" look different than your neighbors.

54 posted on 12/21/2001 11:49:47 AM PST by ez2muz
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To: r9etb
all valid points
remember betamax vs vhs.
My real interest is if this tech can be
transfered to other areas.

When the car was invented who could predict superhighways?
Did the wright bros. envision the 747?
Henry ford never envisioned the mustang gto.

Besides with a bicycle I have to stradle and peddle.
With the segway I stand and lean.

On a real personal level, I wish I could invest in the
company.

55 posted on 12/21/2001 12:19:27 PM PST by aabbccddeeff
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To: big gray tabby; IowaHawk
Meow and hissss! I semi-lived on Long Island for a while (if you call that living) and the place with thick with these bored loooking JAPs driving their Lexuses to/from nail salons (I ain't never seen so many nail salons) and plastic surgeon (I ain't never seen so many plastic surgery clinics neither). I can't imagine being married to one. It is a vision of hell on Earth and that's with two car windows between me and them and I haven't heard them talk yet. Land of the Screeching Harridans.
56 posted on 12/21/2001 12:43:19 PM PST by eno_
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To: eno_
The happy man has a French girlfriend, a Jewish accountant, an Italian cook and a German bodyguard.

The miserable man has a Jewish girlfriend, an Italian accountant, a German cook and a French bodyguard.

57 posted on 12/21/2001 1:01:00 PM PST by IowaHawk
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To: IowaHawk
The only power mower I know of that looks remotely like the Segway is the Toro Greensmaster used at golf courses; maybe one of the many "journalists" who insist on using this simile will take a walk in my neighborhood one day, there isn't a two-wheeled mower on the block.
58 posted on 12/21/2001 1:01:37 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: eno_
Check that...

The happy man has a French girlfriend, a Jewish accountant, an Italian cook and a German car.

The miserable man has a Jewish girlfriend, an Italian accountant, a German cook and a French car.

59 posted on 12/21/2001 1:02:17 PM PST by IowaHawk
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To: mitchbert
When battery technology improves, and it will, subsequent designs could prove much more appropriate for widespead consumer use

People have been saying that since the 19th century and the only promising vehicle today is a refined Edison battery, instead of Edison's nickle/iron plates and grids we now have the nickle-metal hydride (iron and nickle) cells that are expensive, heavy and have low energy-density.

60 posted on 12/21/2001 1:06:57 PM PST by Old Professer
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