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To: WhiskeyPapa
may i suggest that you consult the 1860 census AND the property tax records of the southron states. all the states, north & south taxed slaves as personal property. the CORRECT figure was about 3 percent- THREE percent.

for better research skills, sw

280 posted on 12/26/2001 10:26:51 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
may i suggest that you consult the 1860 census AND the property tax records of the southron states. all the states, north & south taxed slaves as personal property. the CORRECT figure was about 3 percent- THREE percent.

for better research skills, sw

Shouldn't you apologise to me for saying I don't provide primary sources?

Hard to imagine one as primary as the 1850 census. That's okay, you don't have to apologise;

I forgive you.

I would find it hard to believe that the 1860 census is going to show a drop from 1850's 33% down to 3%.

But since you mentioned the 1860 census as supporting your position, you need to cite the 1860 census in this thread.

Walt

282 posted on 12/26/2001 10:35:22 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: stand watie
may i suggest that you consult the 1860 census AND the property tax records of the southron states. all the states, north & south taxed slaves as personal property. the CORRECT figure was about 3 percent- THREE percent.

for better research skills, sw

Well it took me about 30 seconds to get some information on the 1860 census.

"Selected Statistics on Slavery in the United States

(unless otherwise noted, all data is as of the 1860 census) Total number of slaves in the Lower South : 2,312,352 (47% of total population).

Total number of slaves in the Upper South: 1,208758 (29% of total population).

Total number of slaves in the Border States: 432,586 (13% of total population).

Almost one-third of all Southern families owned slaves. In Mississippi and South Carolina it approached one half. The total number of slave owners was 385,000 (including, in Louisiana, some free Negroes). As for the number of slaves owned by each master, 88% held fewer than twenty, and nearly 50% held fewer than five. (A complete table on slave-owning percentages is given at the bottom of this page.)

For comparison's sake, let it be noted that in the 1950's, only 2% of American families owned corporation stocks equal in value to the 1860 value of a single slave. Thus, slave ownership was much more widespread in the South than corporate investment was in 1950's America.

On a typical plantation (more than 20 slaves) the capital value of the slaves was greater than the capital value of the land and implements.

Confederate enlistment data is incomplete because many records were lost when the South collapsed, but it is possible to estimate, very loosely, the number of men in the Confederate army who came from slave-holding families.

Slavery was profitable, although a large part of the profit was in the increased value of the slaves themselves. With only 30% of the nation's (free) population, the South had 60% of the "wealthiest men." The 1860 per capita income in the South was $3,978; in the North it was $2,040.

Selected Bibliography

Battle Cry of Freedom, by James McPherson

Ordeal by Fire, by James McPherson

The Confederate Nation, by Emory Thomas

Civil War Day by Day, by E.B. Long

Ordeal of the Union (8 vols.) by Allan Nevins

Reader's Companion to American History, by Eric Foner and John Garrity

Census data can be appealed to in order to determine the extent of slave ownership in each of the states that allowed it in 1860. The figures given here are the percentage of slave-owning families as a fraction of total free households in the state. The data was taken from a census archive site at the University of Virginia.

http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/census/"

I don't know what you are peddling, or who you think you are fooling.

Walt

283 posted on 12/26/2001 10:42:42 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: stand watie
Looking at the 1860 census, as you claim you got your figures from, and one can see that you are wrong right off the bat. The southern free population in 1860 was 5,582,222 and your figure of 3% of them being slave owners gives a total of about 167,000. Yet the census lists over 316,000 southern slave owners so your figures is already wrong by a factor of almost 50%. The census lists over 3,521,000 souther slaves. If your figure was correct that would mean that the average southern slave owner owned over 21 slaves. Can you back that up?

As for the tax roles, can you provide evidence that shows every southern state taxed personal property?

286 posted on 12/27/2001 6:24:26 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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