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Report: Treason charges ruled out
NBC, MSNBC AND NEWS SERVICES ^ | Dec. 19 | NBC News’ Pete Williams, MSNBC’s Jonathan Dube and Reuters contributed to this report.

Posted on 12/20/2001 1:34:03 AM PST by mdittmar

Prosecutors are preparing to charge American Taliban John Walker Lindh with violating a recently passed federal law that makes it a crime to provide support to terrorists, U.S. officials told NBC News’ Pete Williams. The Justice Department has apparently ruled out charging him with treason, given the demanding legal standard set by the Constitution and the difficulty of finding witnesses from the Taliban who would testify against Walker.

INSTEAD, WALKER is to be charged with providing material support to a terrorist organization. The maximum penalty for a conviction on that charge is life in prison, under the just-passed USA Patriot Act, “if death resulted from the offense.” By contrast, the maximum penalty for treason is death.

The 20-year-old Californian was captured earlier this month after a prison uprising during which CIA agent Mike Spann was killed by Taliban fighters.

Officials told NBC News that Walker could be formally charged within the next few days.

WALKER SPEAKS

On Tuesday evening, CNN broadcast excerpts of an interview with Walker in which he said he did not participate in the uprising, but was in a basement where many of his comrades were killed.

“I was in the basement the whole time,” Walker said in the interview, taped Dec. 2. “I didn’t see what was going on. I just heard.”

He called the uprising “a mistake of a handful of people” and said, “This is against what we had agreed upon, and this is against Islam. It is a major sin to break a contract, especially in military situations.”

Asked if the Taliban’s cause was the right one, he said, “Definitely.”

TREASON TOUGH TO PROVE

Some United States officials favor charging Walker, who goes by his mother’s last name, in a military court-martial, not a civilian court. But legal scholars say that would not be a good fit.

Gene Fidell, a military law expert, said a court-martial is only for a member of the U.S. military or someone who has committed a war crime.

“Apparently there’s no indication Mr. Walker committed what are known as ‘war crimes,’” Fidell said.

As for treason, proving that charge against an American citizen like Walker is particularly difficult because the Constitution requires either two eye witnesses to testify or Walker to confess in court that he fought against the United States.

The last person convicted of treason was Tomoya Kawakita, a Japanese-American sentenced to death in 1952 for tormenting American prisoners of war during World War II.

For now, Walker is in military custody on a Navy ship, and prosecutors have not yet decided where in the United States to take him to face charges.

“He is being given all his rights, which are far more than the rights the Taliban or the al Qaida extended to anybody living there,” said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer.

Administration officials say the president is keeping close tabs on the case.

WALKER DENIED LAWYER

The White House said Wednesday the U.S. denial of a lawyer for Walker was appropriate because he is a “battlefield detainee” governed by the Geneva Convention.

Walker’s fate has been a growing side story to America’s war in Afghanistan, with a debate breaking out over how he is to be treated after leaving his home country to join up with the Taliban.

Some legal experts questioned Walker’s treatment, insisting he was entitled to a lawyer under the U.S. Constitution.

His family has demanded he be allowed to see an attorney. His parents, Frank Lindh and Marilyn Walker, have attempted to portray their son, who converted to Islam at the age of 16, as a misguided idealist rather than a hard-core Muslim extremist.

“He is being treated as someone who fought against the United States in an armed conflict, and that’s why he is classified properly as a battlefield detainee, and he’s being treated well,” said Fleischer.

Walker has told U.S. authorities he was a member of al-Qaida, the militant network led by Osama bin Laden that Bush blames for the Sept. 11 attacks, Pentagon officials said.


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To: mdittmar
Two Al quida dirtbags will turn on him!

Methinks that, given the outrage that will follow any decision not to prosecute for treason, the Justice Department would not hesitate to go for treason _if they thought they had a chance of winning_.

The fact that they are reportedly considering not proceeding means they are NOT confident any Al Qaeda / Taliban fighters will speak out .. or that they have doubts about their credibility if they do.

It is unfortunate, IMHO, but I think it would be better to try him on a lesser, WINNABLE, charge and then expel him at the end of his sentence.

Mind you, I'm not a US citizen, so I can not feel as deeply as you guys do on this one.

Regards

Sadim.

23 posted on 12/20/2001 2:39:44 AM PST by sadimgnik
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To: sadimgnik
Mind you, I'm not a US citizen, so I can not feel as deeply as you guys do on this one.

You got that right!

24 posted on 12/20/2001 2:41:51 AM PST by mdittmar
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To: alien2
The first thing he should do is convince persons such as myself that he is not working against America.

Okay. Again what would you have the President do?
25 posted on 12/20/2001 2:45:50 AM PST by wasp69
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To: Disgusted in Texas
GW has the final say!

What the hell?

Can't reach the "Whitehouse.gov website?

Is the feces hitting the air circulator already??

26 posted on 12/20/2001 2:51:07 AM PST by mdittmar
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To: alien2
That's what he should do.

I'm beginning to believe you don't want to back up your orignal assinine rant.
28 posted on 12/20/2001 2:55:06 AM PST by wasp69
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To: boomop1
Seasons Greetings old friend.

Good to see you in print again. I don't think I am going to get to excited over this "article"(?). I read and then re-read the article. It has me scratching my head as I can't find it from the source. It also has a byline crediting multiple sources including Reuters.

The line that really caused me to scratch my head was the last in the article ...

"Walker has told U.S. authorities he was a member of al-Qaida, the militant network led by Osama bin Laden that Bush blames for the Sept. 11 attacks, Pentagon officials said."

Libs and other agents provacateur always tip their hand somewhere in their words. "Bush Blames"? What part of the planet does the pinhead that wrote that line live? He/She/It more than likely are part of the crowd that believes this whole episode in our history lays at the feet of Anton Scalia and the SC.

The case involving Johnny Bin Walker is breaking new ground in American jurisprudence and having been around long enough to watch our legal system devolve into a cesspool full of the bottom feeding beings know as "lawyers", I am certain of only one thing: This case will have more turns than the OJ trial before it is over.

The case has been out of the Presidents hands since before it began. But most importantly I wouldn't get too excited over the ranting on this thread based upon dubious sources at best.

Again, blessed Holiday Seasons greetings from an old #Free_Republic partner.

29 posted on 12/20/2001 2:58:51 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: Disgusted in Texas
Email the WhiteHouse

G.W. may not read it but his peons will.

John Walker DEAD MAN WALKING!

Vice President's Cheney's Email

30 posted on 12/20/2001 3:04:39 AM PST by mdittmar
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To: ImpBill
It has me scratching my head as I can't find it from the source.

HUH!

G.W. has the last word.

We shall see.

31 posted on 12/20/2001 3:13:58 AM PST by mdittmar
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To: alien2
Just read your "profile" on your member page. You, my man, are an arrogant, paranoid freak.

I think you like yourself WAAAAAAAAY more than is warranted and nobody here cares about your tin-foil hat conspiracy theories.

Oh, and please, please, please don't stop supporting FR, we NEED you to keep supporting us or surely we'll fold...You know, you're the most important person in America!

32 posted on 12/20/2001 3:38:28 AM PST by Slim Pickens
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To: mdittmar
From what I can tell, Treason would be constitutionally hard to prove. Since it's the only crime defined in the Constitution, that's what matters. I think even if he plead, you'd still need the two witnesses (which have to be witnesses to the act not what he says).

I'm sure there are lots of other crimes he can get nailed for. The Government must do everything in its power to extract useful intelligence out of this idiot. I for one would like to know how he was recruited and if there are any more like him in country. As much as I'd like to be on the firing squad, his picking out sleepers in this country and elsewhere would be infinitely more valuable. He'll be doing lots of hard time and they can always hang the death of Mike Spann on him which I am sure is a Death Penalty case (as well as sedition) if he decides not to cooperate.

33 posted on 12/20/2001 3:42:23 AM PST by Credo
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To: Disgusted in Texas
Charge this jerk with TREASON.He fought against the United States of America.He is guilty of being a traitor.Semantics at work here. WRONG!

Okay, I understand where you are coming from. However, there are a few problems. To charge this joker with treason in accordance with the Constitution then his crime would have to meet the criteria set forth in article III, section 3, clause one. While his actions do fit the bill, finding two witnesses to testify against him would be hard but not impossible. Finding two witnesses whose credibility could not be called into question by the likes of Alan Dirt-n-shitz would be well nigh impossible.

The other possibility would be to claim that he forfietted his citizenship under US Code Title 8, chapter 12, section 1481. That would have meant we could have left him to the tender mercies of the Afghani courts or the Northern Alliance (this one is one of my favorites). However, it states in the above Title that he would have had to have given it up voluntarily and could challenge in the courts to have it reinstated. Again, a commie Ivy League lawyer could argue that when he stated he was an American citizen to the CIA officers he didn't voluntarily give it up (notice the stories of how he is just a mixed up kid?). We would see a show trial circus that would make OJ blush.

That only leaves the DOJ and President Bush to prosecute under the Patriot Act so they have what should be a slam dunk case where they can put this dipsh!t in carcir, carcer, aw hell, jail. Hopefully they will instead decide to dump him in Langely and let the SPEC OPS and spooks have Christmas early. Maybe they will tell the press he had an "accident" during questioning.
35 posted on 12/20/2001 3:58:39 AM PST by wasp69
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To: mdittmar
I didn't mean to imply that you hadn't copied and pasted this from something, only that I couldn't find it. And the point I was making was that, IMHO, the words written in the piece were a compilation of more than one source, penned by someone who doesn't get to write under his/her own byline. And in fact with the quote I lifted were penned by someone who infers that President "Bush" is the only person to attribute the events of 911 to UBL and his band of lunatics.

GW does indeed have the last word as all Presidents do. It is called "Presidential Pardon" after the judicial process is complete.

And, again, the Walker case is breaking new ground and new precedence will be established from it.

The remarks to a cyber-friend, boomop, were only to suggest calm, which would be a novel approach here on Free Republic. A suggestion to let events, that we have little or no control over, play themselves out a bit before we start damning everyone and everything. But again, calm and patience are attributes that seems to be quite foreign on FreeRepublic these days. I sure didn't intend to put a burr under your's or anyone's saddle with my remarks. But I forgot, this is, afterall, the Free-for-all-Republic.

Merry Christmas

36 posted on 12/20/2001 3:59:32 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: semper_libertas
The President should let justice work. Let the people who hear ALL the facts make the decision.

See post #35.
37 posted on 12/20/2001 4:00:53 AM PST by wasp69
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To: mdittmar
I did go back and click the link and this time it did take me to the MSNBC web page with the article as printed. The first time I went to the link it only took me to a page with four other links on it. Perhaps work was being done on the page when I tried to access the first time. Again, I sure didn't intend any suggestion that the ariticle was not genuine.
38 posted on 12/20/2001 4:03:54 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: mdittmar
BARF!
39 posted on 12/20/2001 4:05:40 AM PST by FReethesheeples
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To: mdittmar
Report: Treason charges ruled out

Boooooooo.

40 posted on 12/20/2001 4:07:58 AM PST by jwalsh07
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