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Pro-Life Is Pro-Baby: Mel Gibson And Fatherhood Against Abortion
Toogood Reports ^ | December 19, 2001 | Isaiah Flair

Posted on 12/19/2001 12:19:27 PM PST by Starmaker

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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
I like to think so! Is that you Mel? ;-)
121 posted on 12/19/2001 8:44:54 PM PST by soccermom
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To: soccermom
Well, we both wish I were! :o)
122 posted on 12/19/2001 8:58:32 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: soccermom
And by the way, Robyn says "hi!". Hope you enjoyed my acting in "Mad Max" and "The Patriot"!

:o)

123 posted on 12/19/2001 9:00:17 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
Let's say that, despite contraception, a pregnancy occurs within the context of a marriage. Husband is pro-life; wife was when they married, but has now changed her mind and intends to abort. This kind of blows the myth that the situation can only arise in a premarital or otherwise irresponsible context.

As to: because you'll have men getting women pregnant just to do so....

That's a little silly, given that each baby protected from abortion means 18-21 years of fairly profound financial liability.

As to: Also, you would be getting the government involved in something that is very personal.

The government got involved when it deprived fathers of the natural right to protect the lives of the babies they sire, from conception forward. That is government interference in something that could not conceivably be more personal.

Plus, the govt. gets involved with enforcing child support payments based upon one thing: the DNA of the father being an integral part of the DNA of the child. Even though this enforcement may be 9-months delayed through til birth, it begins with conception, which is when the father's DNA is imparted to his progeny.

Where responsibilities begin, there must begin rights also. And no rights can exist in regards to something if the right to protect the very existence of that something does not.

Feminism has established a gender-Marxism, class warfare along gender lines. They assign rights to women only, with no moral constraints; they assign responsibilities to men without corresponding rights.

Thus, feminism has split the basic founding principle of theUnited States along gender lines.

That principle is:

"No responsibilities without corresponding rights of concordant significance."

In the Revolutionary War, the early American fought and died for that principle.

They called it:

"No Taxation Without Representation!"

124 posted on 12/19/2001 9:04:10 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: EmmaPeel
What are your sources, EmmaPeel?
125 posted on 12/19/2001 9:06:46 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: EmmaPeel
**You might want to read an entire thread before posting a message. That way you won't look incredibly silly again.**

That comment was quite rude...perhaps you could remove your arrogance hat and answer questions in a polite manner.

126 posted on 12/19/2001 9:12:59 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
BUMP
127 posted on 12/19/2001 9:17:11 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: StewartSmith
I read your bio. Other than your registration date of 12/17/2001, you're an empty vessel.
128 posted on 12/19/2001 9:19:59 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: StewartSmith
***Isn't it odd how these so-called "pro-family" conservatives forget about the child once it's born? They'll work themselves into a froth trying to defend a tiny clump of cells in a womb, but once the baby is born they really don't give a damn what happens to it. ***

That's quite an ignorant blanket statement, bud. You assume much but know little.

129 posted on 12/19/2001 9:21:44 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
You rock.

That's a compliment...

People like you give me hope for humanity.

130 posted on 12/19/2001 9:26:24 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
I totally agree with you in sentiment; if I fathered a child that the mother wanted to abort, I would want to save "my" baby. I just don't think there's any chance that the courts would uphold my rights as a father over the mother's wish to terminate the pregnancy as long as abortion itself remains legal. Even if such a law were to be passed it would be struck down by the courts because the majority wouldn't agree to allow a father's rights to supercede the right of the mother to "control her own body".

The only way to correct the abortion situation is to grant human status (and thus the right to life) to unborn babies in the womb. Then the baby's right to life would trump the mother's wish to abort the pregnancy.

The reason we have legalized abortion is because unborn babies have no rights. It isn't a question of fathers' rights versus mothers' rights. It's a question of recognizing that an unborn baby is a human being with it's own right to life. BTW, as a single father who has fought hard for custody of my twin sons, I am more sensitive to and experienced than most in the ways of family law and issues of fathers' rights. As I said, I empathize with your sentiments. I just don't think your well-intentioned proposal is the right solution to this problem.

131 posted on 12/19/2001 9:28:25 PM PST by constable tom
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To: constable tom
I respect everything you said. I offer that baby+father is a stronger combo than baby alone...plus the father can speak for himself, and for Life; baby cannot.
132 posted on 12/19/2001 9:34:51 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
LOL. I rock, huh? I teach a class to a group of preteen girls. On my white board they wrote in large letters, "Mrs. _____ is da bomb!"

Kewl. I rock and I'm da bomb. Whatever that means. ;o)

133 posted on 12/19/2001 9:38:28 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting;constable tom;homeschool mama
To add to the last, most people based on science alone understand that the prenatal baby is human life. But, in the dead silence of fathers, they accept the premise that this is a "woman's issue" and should be left to women: the standard pro-choice credo under which so many millions have died.

Bringing in the father augments the baby's personhood; 'tis not either-or, but rather, the one in support of the other. Both will be required for success. Pro-lifers have been silent on the father-issuefor thirty years, and that silence has resulted in failure.

Baby + Father = Life.

134 posted on 12/19/2001 9:43:09 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: homeschool mama
PING me over to any EdThreads you're on in the future wouldja? In addition to life/family/fatherhood issues, I'm very interested in Education, PC, and Christianity issues too.
135 posted on 12/19/2001 9:46:08 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
You got it, Doc. ;o)
136 posted on 12/19/2001 9:47:23 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: ALL
As a pro-abort fanatic launched an ad-hominem attack based solely on my FR profile, I reprint it here:

I am pro-life, 100%. I understand that society is running---not jogging, not speedwalking, but running---down the slippery slope. I believe in fatherhood and motherhood equally. Throughout their lives, both sons and daughters need to spend as much time with both father and mother as each parent has to spend.

I believe in accountability, and in the founding principle of our nation: no taxation without representation.

I oppose stereotyping men as a group or women as a group. I believe that gender-based stereotypes present a fundamental conflict with reality. Men and women are different, and that difference is what provides men and women with the opportunity for heterosexual synchronicity, which is a beautiful thing.

The noted and valued difference between men and women should not serve as a basis for a presumption of capability or incapability in any given aspect of life. Nor should it abrogate equal opportunity, equal rights, and equal responsibilities between men and women in regards to child custody, parenting roles, relationship issues, or societal and career opportunities.

I believe in local control politically, recognizing that true democracy has to be something that the citizens of a nation can feel and touch.

Thus, the sovereign nation of these United States should sign no conventions or treaties of any kind with the United Nations. Indeed, the United States should withdraw all funding from the UN immediately, and to the extent that the U.S. remains a part of the U.N, we need to lead it wherever we want it to go.

State control is better than federal control in the majority of cases, scattered exceptions noted.

The school system should ultimately be privatized, introducing healthy competition and actual academics. Currently, the public schools are dominated by the Orwellian National Education Association, which employs it's domination as a tool to indoctrinate other people's children into secular humanism.

The right to keep and bear arms is, short of a criminal record, absolute. The moral foundation of this position is the right to defend one's own home and family. Along that line, short of causing harm to the property of another, the right to own and maintain private property is fundamental.

The U.S. Military must be the strongest in the world. There is only one road to peace.

Through strength.

Romantically, men were made for women, and women were made for men. It's lock and key...

The heterophobia of feminism is pervasive and problematic, fostered by an agenda born in the centre of Chaos...

God created the universe. Darwin was wrong. Science not only fails to disprove God, it serves as testimony to it's Creator. Science is the workmanship of the Almighty. He brought the Order it reflects out of the Chaos which existed before, and which some are trying to re-instate...

We were created to procreate. This is what In His Image means...

137 posted on 12/19/2001 9:55:13 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
Loved The Patriot and Braveheart -- haven't seen Mad Max but "you" are always worth watching.
138 posted on 12/19/2001 10:04:12 PM PST by soccermom
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To: soccermom
Also recommend "Forever Young" (romance, Mel Gibson + Jamie Lee Curtis) and "Ransom" (action flick, Mel Gibson + Rene Russo).
139 posted on 12/19/2001 10:12:09 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
I loved Forever Young. I can even sit through the Lethal Weapon flicks just to see Mel. I know I must be getting old though, because my baby sister (almost 15) doesn't find him attractive at all.
140 posted on 12/19/2001 10:15:00 PM PST by soccermom
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