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| 11/28/00
| Wally Glen
Posted on 12/19/2001 12:17:52 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter
Well, I don't blame them for restricting your account the second time, and then closing out your account. You went and told them the truth about how you felt. You really hurt their feelings...just imagine how that poor customer service rep felt when he (or she) got your e-mail where you told them exactly how you felt. You should show more consideration for companies and corporations, especially those where you're giving them money in exchange for a service. Shame on you..shame shame shame!!!!!
and in case it didn't come through ok - /sarcasm
To: struwwelpeter
Five-page detailed rants = ulterior motive.
To: LurkedLongEnough
>>Five-page detailed rants = ulterior motive.<<
You read my mind. However, it could be true. What puzzles me is that there are missing steps. The chain of events doesn't make sense. He seemed to get angry too fast and spout the anger to freely, at least as he tells it.
Maybe he's just leaving stuff out to shorten the post, I dunno...
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posted on
12/19/2001 12:49:01 PM PST
by
RobRoy
To: RobRoy; LurkedLongEnough
No, he's telling the truth. Apparently, PayPal service has been going downhill for a while. There's quite a few dis-satisfied customers out there. They're difficult to get in touch with...you can e-mail them, but, as he's noted, they take their sweet time in getting back in touch with you. If you want to call them up...well, that's another story. The head of PayPal said in an interview that they have intentionally made it difficult to get in touch with them by voice, preferring to rely on e-mail. Whether that's because it makes it easier for them to ignore you as a customer or not, who can say?
To: struwwelpeter
any luck calling them with the # i emailed?
To: OnSafariInBlueZone
PayPal P.O. Box 45950 Omaha, NE 68145
Toll Free Phone: (888) 221-1161
To: Tennessee_Bob
Nobody tells the truth.
Like the other day during my 6-month dental exam the hygienist congratulated me for my obviously well-tended mouth before jack-hammering enough plaque to fill a bushel basket. After that the dentist came in and told me I needed a cap on one of my four remaining teeth. They congratulated me again. Cost me $200, the cap's another $800.
Always hedge criticisms with cheery, up-beat encouragement; insert your critique between two compliments and garnish with a smile.
If you don't do this you're liable to get a knife in your back.
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posted on
12/19/2001 1:01:05 PM PST
by
tsomer
To: Tennessee_Bob
They're difficult to get in touch with...you can e-mail them, but, as he's noted, they take their sweet time in getting back in touch with you. If you want to call them up...well, that's another story. The head of PayPal said in an interview that they have intentionally made it difficult to get in touch with them by voice, preferring to rely on e-mail. I fully understand why they prefer email to phone calls; there's a huge difference in customer service costs, and naturally PayPal wants to minimize its expenses to maximize its profit. It's a simple financial calculation: even if it loses them a few frustrated customers, the overall cost savings from relying almost exclusively on email will more than make up the difference. As a business, they have the right to make that determination. Of course the flip side is that they'd better have a reasonably good system of email service response, else they'll lose a lot of customers and the trade-off will no longer make financial sense.
Regarding the specifics of Wally Glen's problem, I think his admittedly-vile attack on PayPal was what precipitated the closing of his account. So I have only limited sympathy for him even if his description of events is entirely accurate.
We have had problems with PayPal in the past, and were having difficulty resolving those problems. So eventually I pulled out my secret weapon, which I will now share with everyone here. (Note that this technique is applicable to most Internet-based companies. Just don't overdo it, or it will lose its effectiveness.)
I emailed every member of the company's management and Board of Directors with a description of my problem and the lack of resolution by the customer service people, along with copies of all my previous email correspondence. Every company's web page contains a list top management, usually under "about us" or "executive team" or "investor relations" (PayPal's can be found here). And although they don't usually list their email addresses, those may be inferred from the addresses of other employees. A good place to look is under "press releases", at least some of which will list the email address of the company's public relations contact. (In PayPal's case it is the initial of the person's first name concatenated with his or her last name, @paypal.com. For example, CEO Peter Theil would presumably be pthiel@paypal.com.)
In our case, the previously-unresolved problem was solved in a matter of hours by some very cooperative customer service reps who even telephoned us to make sure it was taken care of.
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posted on
12/19/2001 1:32:06 PM PST
by
dpwiener
To: dpwiener
As an addendum to my previous post, the customer service department was CC'ed on my email complaint to the company execs. The service reps would not necessarily know whether my email had gotten through to some or all of the execs, by they knew that it had been sent to all those execs. And they preferred to fix the problem fast themselves, rather than to take the risk of heat coming down from on high.
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posted on
12/19/2001 1:37:37 PM PST
by
dpwiener
To: struwwelpeter
Wally appears to be a juvenile. Look at the language he used. Childish. Like his web page.
Two kinds of people, the first tries to work things out like a grownup and the second is looking to litigate from the get-go. Wally does not seem like the first type.
To: dpwiener
I will never use paypal again. I bought something online (computer part) and the company stated that they accepted credit cards. What they actually did was make a paypal account for me using my credit card. I didn't know this until I wanted to buy another part a week later from the same outfit, but when I did try to pay with paypal, it said that I already had an account using that credit card(!). After much hassle on the phone, we finally figured out what was happening. The company in question just opened another paypal account using another email address.
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posted on
12/19/2001 1:53:00 PM PST
by
Snowy
To: Snowy
The reason why the company kept opening paypal accounts in your name is because they get a $5.00 credit for every account they sign up.
I just signed up with PayPal two days ago. I am very sorry I did. They are not honest. They don't respond to emails. I think they are in big financial trouble and have been freezing peoples bank accounts.
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posted on
12/19/2001 2:06:30 PM PST
by
ladyjane
To: struwwelpeter
I like paypal. I do some biz with them. never had a real problem. Once a customer complained, they froze a payment, I proved that she accepted the order by UPS, and they released the funds quickly -- easier than a CC company would!
Some of their policies are bizarre but I can work with them no problem. Never had a problem contacting paypal, and they are usually quick with a form letter reply (they likely have a system that scans email for certain words, and then automatically sends a reply based on what they think the subject matter is).
To: struwwelpeter
I love PayPal. I have had 40 purchases without a hitch.
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posted on
12/19/2001 2:30:22 PM PST
by
hattend
To: LurkedLongEnough, Tennessee_Bob, hattend, monkeyshine, isthisnickcool, OnSafariInBlueZone, Hillar
Well, I'm not Wally Glenn, but I sure
felt like sending the emails he sent.
What really is strange, is now I'm this little obedient meek customer who is jumping through all the hoops and treating all the customer help reps with respect - and even a little awe. Of course, it's not getting me anywhere. $2513, according the the rep, "will just sit there" until my bank changes its policies and shares private information with outside parties.
I have bought exactly 1 item three months ago, and sold nothing. Yet I'm at fault, send my faxes at a dollar a page (I'm up to twelve now) and console myself with the occasional "request denied" email
PayPal users, beware.
To: struwwelpeter
I use PayPal all the time for all sorts of online receivable and payment uses. I love them. The one time I communicated with them, they answered within 48 hours, which I consider quite reasonable.
Their service sure makes purchasing things on auction sites such as eBay great, too.
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posted on
12/19/2001 4:32:59 PM PST
by
Rightone
To: struwwelpeter
Have used Paypal for a long time, no problems.
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posted on
12/19/2001 4:43:48 PM PST
by
AMERIKA
To: struwwelpeter
They took my money today. They sent me two lovely emails to tell me that I won't be receiving my money because even though my ISP and Paypal recognizes email address, that since two people put a capital letter in my email address, I can't claim my money. It's gone, all gone.
To: Rightone, Amerika
Have used Paypal for a long time, no problems...yet
Check Hillary's response.
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