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The Jeb Bush Nobody Knows - Part 7: FL's 'Other' Voucher Program, for Students with Disabilities
Responses to this Jeb series, from The Daytona Beach News-Journal's forum ^ | Dec. 19, 2001 | summer

Posted on 12/19/2001 5:02:04 AM PST by summer

The Jeb Bush Nobody Knows - Part 7: Florida's 'Other' Voucher Program, for Students with Disabilities

Written by: summer - a former Dem, now an independent, and a FL certified teacher


Folks, our objective today is to discern the difference between fact and opinion, especially when an opinion is not supported by fact.

Yesterday I was surprised to read two comments from people under the mistaken impression that special education students with disabilities have received no attention whatsoever from Governor Bush.

The first comment I read was from a poster at a Daytona Beach newspaper site, linked on the above source link. A FR poster sent me this URL, to show me the first six parts of this Jeb Nobody Knows editorial series -- about new financial benefits for teachers -- has been posted on this newspaper's forum.

And, the responses to this editorial series include a poster who dismissed all the new laws I cited, claiming such new laws are the result of "infatuation." I have no idea what that poster was talking about, but I noticed the person also alleged nothing was being done by Gov. Bush to help the disabled - a false claim, and an opinion not supported by fact.

The second comment I read, repeating this false claim, was here on FR, from a FL poster who wrongly believes disabled students in FL are stuck being mainstreamed in public school classes without any alternative. Again, wrong. His opinion is not supported by the facts and law cited below.

As for my own feelings on this subject of parental choice and vouchers for special ed students -- I am not the parent of a disabled child, so I am not qualified to speak about the experiences such parents have with respect to public schools. However, I have briefly taught such students as a substitute, and my best friend is a special ed teacher in a public school. My own feeling is there is no job more difficult in the public school system than teaching disabled students, period. My friend, and other special ed teachers I know in the public schools, is truly dedicated to these students.

Yet, in my teacher-training program at school, I've also met several disabled students' parents who were training to become regular ed public school teachers - and, they were not at all happy with the public school environment for their disabled children.

If such a parent -- who is willing to become a public school teacher -- is not happy with the quality of education provided by the public school, then, I have to conclude other options need to be provided. The new law signed by Governor Bush provides vouchers to these parents to explore other options.

Since Gov. Bush passed this new law in conjunction with a long list of other steps he took to support and improve the public school system, I can support this law, as I do not believe he abandoned public schools.

Here are three articles on the progress of this new program, signed into law by Gov. Bush to help disabled students, by giving parents another option: scholarships / vouchers for private schools. Also, because this program started as a pilot program, serving just 2 parents of disabled students, and, now, 14,000 parents in FL have expressed an interest, my opinion is this new program is very much in demand. And, IMO, Gov. Bush's people make a big mistake by omitting mention of this popular program on his campaign web site.

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Article #1, May 2000 - From Education Week: "Bill Offering Vouchers To Disabled Passes in Fla."

Excerpt: "…Gov. Jeb Bush is expected to sign a bill this month that would broaden the program by letting students with disabilities transfer to private schools if their public schools fail to meet their needs.

When the state's plan for offering publicly financed tuition vouchers to students at failing public schools became law last June, a smaller trial was also approved for students with special needs in Sarasota County. Since then, two disabled students have taken advantage of the pilot program."


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Article #2, August 2001 - From Education Week: "Florida's 'Other' Voucher Program Taking Off"

Excerpt: "Between May, when the legislature passed the new law, and late June, the first deadline for the program, Ms. McCain's office received about 14,000 calls from parents. Parents wishing to take part in the program must apply at least 60 days before they want to use the vouchers."

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Article #3, December 2001 - The News Mexico.Com, written by AP reporter: "Too early to gauge vouchers for U.S. schools"

Excerpt: "In Florida, children with disabilities are eligible for vouchers of nearly $7,000 - about 3,900 students are enrolled this fall."

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Also:

To read the new law, Senate Bill SB 1180sr, click here.

And, for more information about how to enroll in this voucher / scholarship program,click here

Finally, because I have seen so few publications like Education Week publicly mention FL parents who like what Gov. Bush is doing in education, I'm posting the aforementioned Article #2 in its entirety, below:


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American Education's Newspaper of Record

August 8, 2001

Florida's 'Other' Voucher Program Taking Off

By Lisa Fine
Education Week

When Dorian and Paul Neidhart went house-hunting in Miami 13 years ago, their search focused on the neighborhood where they had grown up. They wanted their own children, someday, to go to the same public schools that had meant so much to them.

The couple settled into a house in the Pine Crest area-four doors away from Paul's boyhood home. When the time came, they enrolled their daughter, Meghan, who has a learning disability, in Coral Reef Elementary School, the same school both parents had attended.

But nostalgia and reality have since parted ways. Big class sizes overwhelmed Meghan. And her schedule, a conglomeration of regular and special education classes, was chaotic and counterproductive, the Neidharts found. Meghan would be pulled out in the middle of a lesson to work with specialists, then be returned as the rest of the class was well into a science class.

"I'm all for inclusive classes, but it wasn't right for my daughter," Ms. Neidhart said. "When a child is lost in the classroom, that child is losing a year of learning. Something's got to be done."

What the Neidharts did, with the financial help of a little-known pilot voucher program begun in Florida two years ago for students with disabilities, was move their daughter to a private school. The program will expand to serve thousands more students like Meghan, now age 9, in the coming school year. Quietly, it has become the larger of the state's two voucher programs. Eventually, it could become the largest in the United States.

In the past two years, the program was overshadowed by Florida's other, more closely watched voucher system, for students who attend schools designated as "failing" by the state. President Bush patterned his national school choice proposal after that program, the only statewide plan of its kind. So far, though, Florida's general voucher plan has aided only students from two Pensacola elementary schools.

Meanwhile, a bill signed into law in May by Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, the president's brother, has now removed limitations on who may use the vouchers for students with disabilities. That means any of the 350,000 such students in the state are eligible under the program known as the John M. McKay Scholarships for Students With Disabilities, named after the Florida Senate president who established it.

Officials expect about 4,000 students to participate this fall, four times the number who received aid in 2000-01. That could make the McKay program second in size nationally to the Milwaukee voucher program, which expects more than 9,600 students this fall. In Cleveland, about 3,900 low-income students received vouchers from the state last year. Officials said no estimate for the fall was available.

No New 'Failing' Schools

While the Florida tuition program for students with disabilities gears up for an influx of participants, the state's flagship voucher effort will see no growth, given the way eligibility for the program is determined.

Florida's school report card did not contain any "failing" schools this year, leaving no new students eligible for the general voucher program for the second year in a row. ("Fla. Schools Get Better Report Cards," July 12, 2000.) A school must receive an F for two out of four years to be labeled failing and thus allow parents whose children attend it to be eligible for publicly financed tuition vouchers. Those parents can use the vouchers, worth about $3,600 each, to send their children to public schools with better ratings or to private schools, including religious schools.

Seventy-eight schools received an F grade two years ago, according to the Florida Department of Education's Choice Office. But none of them got the grade a second time. From the two Pensacola schools that previously had two failing years, 51 students received state vouchers for private school tuition, and 84 students chose to go to another public school. Once the students qualify for the failing-schools program, they are entitled to receive the vouchers every year through their K-12 educations, even if their home public school improves its grade.

The stalled regular voucher program has people from both sides of the issue claiming success.

"The better-known program in Florida is an interesting model in that it does work to fix public schools," said Chester E. Finn Jr., the president of the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation, a Washington think tank. "The other schools got the message."

But Kathleen Lyons, a spokeswoman for the National Education Association, said the absence of more failing schools last year did not prove that vouchers help improve public schools. She said other measures tied to the state program did the trick. The state gives financial and other aid to schools that get an F to help them improve.

"I find it obnoxious to suggest that a teacher is going to work harder and a school will be better because of a threat of vouchers," she said. "The Florida education community has been working for years to develop proposals to turn around schools. ... The extra assistance given to the schools that are at risk of failing certainly helped. You can't have good schools without spending money."

14,000 Calls

Under the McKay scholarship program for students with disabilities, parents can receive vouchers regardless of how their child's school performs in the eyes of the state. Parents of a child with disabilities who believe that the school is not meeting his or her needs are eligible to receive vouchers that are worth either what the school district pays in annual costs for that child or the price of tuition to a private school, whichever is cheaper.

The average value of the vouchers for students in the program is around $6,000 a year. For the school year that just ended, the state spent $5.8 million on vouchers for about 1,000 students with disabilities, who could choose from any other public school or 100 private schools approved by the state.

There are now 324 private schools eligible to receive such students, said Diane McCain, the director of the Florida Department of Education's office on school choice. The program began in 1999 as a pilot project with just two students.

Between May, when the legislature passed the new law, and late June, the first deadline for the program, Ms. McCain's office received about 14,000 calls from parents. Parents wishing to take part in the program must apply at least 60 days before they want to use the vouchers.

As interest in the program increases, it has sparked some debate about whether the vouchers are good for students with disabilities.

Some opponents of the McKay scholarship program say it could encourage the creation all over Florida of schools not qualified to handle students with disabilities.

"There are very few accountability measures," said David Clark, a spokesman for the Florida Education Association. "It seems likely our private-sector entrepreneurs could open fly-by-night schools."

But Patrick J. Heffernan, the president of Floridians for School Choice, disagreed that schools must report to government or inevitably become mediocre.

"This whole accountability issue is based on the presumption that if you are accountable to government authorities, then the taxpayer is well protected," he said. "Private schools are accountable to parents."

To accept McKay scholarship students, private schools must demonstrate that they are financially sound, comply with anti-discrimination laws, meet state health and safety codes, and employ teachers who hold bachelor's degrees or higher, or have at least three years of teaching experience, Ms. McCain said.

Questions also have surfaced about the McKay program's constitutionality. The Florida Education Association is a plaintiff in a lawsuit against the regular voucher program, contending that the use of public dollars for tuition at religious schools violates the U.S. Constitution's prohibition of a government establishment of religion. The pending case does not include the McKay program, however.

But Mr. Clark of the FEA said that should the union prevail in its lawsuit against the regular vouchers, he believes that the McKay program would likewise be unconstitutional.

But back in Miami's Pine Crest neighborhood, far below the plain of constitutional arguments, the issue is personal: What's best for my child?

Dorian Neidhart chose to send her daughter back this fall for a second year at Killian Oaks Academy, a Miami private school for students with mild to moderate learning disabilities.

"Before, I felt really lost, not knowing what to do with Meghan," Ms. Neidhart said. "Now I feel blessed that we are able to send her to a school like that." Meghan will be in the 4th grade in the coming school year.

John Shuster, a spokesman for the 361,000-student Miami-Dade County school system, said he could not discuss Meghan Neidhart's experience at Coral Reef Elementary School or the family's decision to use a voucher.

"I don't think a comment is appropriate," Mr. Shuster said. "If someone comes to us wanting a voucher, we work with the state to get them what they need."

Ms. Neidhart said she chose the private school because class sizes are between six and eight students, and each student is tested to determine his or her individual learning style and level.

Mercedes Ricon, the director for Killian Oaks Academy, said the McKay scholarship program's growth doesn't mean private schools stand to make a lot of taxpayer money. She said that tuition for the school is $13,500 a year, but that Meghan's school district paid about $5,000. The school covered the rest of her tuition with their own scholarships.

"We tested Meghan, and she does best with hands-on activities," Ms. Ricon added. "She is a tactile-visual learner. She had always been a painter at home. By incorporating art in her classes, she could develop confidence. She needed that strength to be incorporated into her learning experience."

According to her mother, Meghan has thrived at the school. "She is a new child," Ms. Neidhart said. "Her self-esteem has soared. She has come up in all areas."

Funding for this story was provided in part by the Ford Foundation, which helps underwrite coverage of the changing definition of public schooling.


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To: Amore
Amore, I'm so glad I could perhaps help you out. There is a link in my editorial to the program.

Thanks so much for taking the time to check out this thread. And, while I do think it's great for parents of disabled students to have options, like a voucher or a scholarship to a private school, it's also really wonderful for me to hear your sister is happy with the public school!!! :)
101 posted on 12/19/2001 9:02:55 PM PST by summer
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To: Amore
sister = sister-in-law
102 posted on 12/19/2001 9:03:43 PM PST by summer
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To: Amore
BTW, see post #23 for a new link that works -- as my "Source" link did not; and, see post #4 for a working link for Article #1.
103 posted on 12/19/2001 9:04:55 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
Merry Christmas to you, summer!
104 posted on 12/19/2001 9:06:10 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Hey, Alamo-Girl, thanks so much! And, I hope you have a Merry Christmas as well! :)
105 posted on 12/19/2001 9:07:43 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
Both my niece's & nephew's teachers at this school have been very good. I've met them all. My nephew was only just recently found by the school to qualify for special teaching (I don't know any of the technical terms). All I know is that the teacher goes from class to class working with the students who need the extra help, so that the students don't have to leave their own classroom.
106 posted on 12/19/2001 9:10:13 PM PST by Amore
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To: Amore
Both my niece's & nephew's teachers at this school have been very good.

I've known many really good special ed teachers in the public schools, too. And, BTW, some private schools, like the one where I taught, will not even accept special ed kids. gatorman gave some very good advice in the beginning of this thread, about letting the consumer beware. It is possible to get a great situation in a public school, but, not everyone has that.

One reason I can support Governor Bush's use of vouchers is that his voucher / scholarships only become available in after there is a lack of progress in the public school setting. Also, parents have a lot of choice in FL as to which public school they want to send their child to attend.

So, with all the choice in public schools -- and the increased financial backing and other support Gov. Bush constantly gives to public schools -- the public schools are certainly not abandoned, and they all have a chance to improve and become outstanding. But, if they don't, well, then a parent really should be able to go elsewhere. I think that's only fair.
107 posted on 12/19/2001 9:25:47 PM PST by summer
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To: Amore
available in after = available after
108 posted on 12/19/2001 9:27:11 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
Oh, I think they'd definitely like to keep him in public schools. But already, in 4th grade, homework is a big struggle, and it's only going to get harder. I'm just not sure he'll be able to keep up, what with his CAPD difficulties. Apparently, too, he has short-term memory problems, so though my sister-in-law works and works with him, a lot of things (most noticeably, his weekly spelling words) just don't "stick."
109 posted on 12/19/2001 9:34:41 PM PST by Amore
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To: AmishDude
"As a proponent of vouchers in general, I like what seems to be a "backdoor" approach."

While I like any progress towards full privatization of K-12 Education, why must we use the "backdoor"?! I work in some underprivileged neighborhoods and meet the kids and parents who are entrapped by these less-than-mediocre schools...they have the same dreams and aspirations as you or I, why must they be condemned to inner-city schools that don't teach?! Or at least they don't teach AS WELL as their Private School counterparts. In any event, this ought to be a huge selling point to innner-city parents and we should also be making a pitch to the high-quality teachers out there, of which there are certainly many. Good teachers could benefit incredibly from the De-Collectivization of the Schools...there'd be a bidding war for them!! It's the poorly-educated, unmotivated teachers who need the damned Unions. Let them find other occupations in which their indifference does not condemn another generation to mediocrity!

Right must separate the Unions from the Teachers--and the inner-city parents from the RATS--on this issue!!

FReegards...MUD

110 posted on 12/19/2001 9:43:46 PM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: summer
I see another option. His parents are concerned about the middle school he would be assigned to. It looks like under this program he would be eligible to go to a better public middle school. Do you know, would he be able to choose any middle school he wanted to attend, or only certain designated ones?
111 posted on 12/19/2001 9:46:00 PM PST by Amore
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To: Amore
With respect to spelling -- a lot of kids have trouble with spelling because they don't understand concepts like prefixes, suffixes, origins of words and root words. Of course, some words in the English language seem to break all the rules!

But, I notice homeschooled kids spend more time learning the actual origin of words. When I watch these kids win spelling bees they can usually ascertain the root of the word as being of Latin, Greek or French origin, and they know the whole family of words derived from that root word. Many kids in public schools don't get that kind of in-depth understanding because it's simply not taught. A big mistake, in my view.

You'd be surprised how many kids become fascinated by the above concepts when you teach such ideas to kids.

And, I don't buy that whole philosophy about spelling not being important, which is what we were told when we trained in teacher college. I think a student who is a good speller becomes a far more confident reader, because such a student will want to, and will know how to, figure out the meanings of unknown, new vocabulary words.
112 posted on 12/19/2001 9:47:43 PM PST by summer
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To: Mudboy Slim
While I like any progress towards full privatization of K-12 Education

Not me, Mudboy. Did you know that President Bush sent his daughters to public high schools in Texas? Do you think that's because he couldn't afford to send them to private schools? Or, is it because he and First Lady Bush were happy with the quality of education in those public schools?

Not all private schools are great. The idea that just because a school is private means it's automatically better than every public school is just plain false, and parents (and teachers) who have substantial experience in both settings will honestly tell you that.

So, dream on about the illusion you have with respect to all schools being wonderful just because they are private. Not true in every case. Believe me.

And, don't even get me started on how much LESS money teachers in private school are paid in comparison to their public school counterparts. The only reason any of those private school teachers stay is because the kids are so well behaved and the parents are involved. If those two elements didn't exist, many private school teachers would quit their jobs in about five minutes.
113 posted on 12/19/2001 9:54:00 PM PST by summer
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To: Mudboy Slim
The only reason any = ...reason many...
114 posted on 12/19/2001 9:55:53 PM PST by summer
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To: Amore
Do you know, would he be able to choose any middle school he wanted to attend, or only certain designated ones?

I think she'd have to start with the local school district, and ask questions about their policies. In every school district I know about in FL, a parent is allowed to send their child outside the assigned public school, to another public school, provided they apply in time to the local administrative office and meet other requirements (ie, they are willing to provide transportation, there is room in that other school, etc). Sometimes the option to attend is by lottery, if the school is a magnet school. See what she can find out first at the local level. And, FL has a ton of educational and school info on their DOE (Department of Education) web site.
115 posted on 12/19/2001 10:02:18 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
Once again, your faith and trust in Jeb Bush is rewarded.

Thanks for bring to our attention to a least one Republican deserving of unqualified suppoprt.

116 posted on 12/19/2001 10:09:28 PM PST by rightofrush
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To: JohnHuang2
I read this one.. but it definetly deserves another bump!! I'm pretty dog gone impressed with the "brothers". :o)
117 posted on 12/19/2001 10:14:45 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: rightofrush
Once again, your faith and trust in Jeb Bush is rewarded.

Thanks for bring to our attention to a least one Republican deserving of unqualified support.


ROR, so nice to hear from you! You missed a thread the other night, when someone decided that Jeb Bush and Connie Rice should be the GOP ticket for 2008. I have to admit I think that's a winning ticket!

Thanks for taking the time to check out this thread. :)
118 posted on 12/19/2001 10:15:59 PM PST by summer
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Hey, VHAW, you should check out posts #56-#58 (I think that's right). If you like the suggestion you read from Dog Gone to me, and my response, please do freepmail me! :)
119 posted on 12/19/2001 10:17:16 PM PST by summer
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To: rightofrush
BTW, you don't mind, of course, if I add that you are a TEACHER, do you, ROR? :)
120 posted on 12/19/2001 10:18:13 PM PST by summer
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