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Only in Their Dreams : Why is the "Arab street" silent? A radical Muslim fantasy meets reality
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Dec. 24, 2001 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 12/18/2001 3:29:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: VOA; Joe Montana
Thanks for the reference!

here is another article that might be of interest that Joe Montana told me about:

"How Dare You Defame Islam"

41 posted on 12/18/2001 4:41:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach, cyn, Alamo-girl
What the secular West fails to understand is that in fighting religious fanaticism the issue--for the fanatic--is not grievance but ascendancy. What must be decided is not who is right and wrong--one can never appease the grievances of the religious fanatic--but whose God is greater. After Afghanistan there can be no doubt. In the land of jihad, the fall of the Taliban and the flight of al-Qaeda are testimony to the god that failed.

What an impressive article. Thanks for the this post. Quite extraordinary. And dead-on.

42 posted on 12/18/2001 4:53:13 PM PST by Republic
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks, Ernie. Krauthhammer and Brit --- I MISSED it!
43 posted on 12/18/2001 4:56:25 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx
They have a replay on my cable outlet at 9 PM PDT (I think )!

Check your location, I think it was worthwhile !

44 posted on 12/18/2001 5:01:30 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I have satellite -- replay at 9:PM! Thanks.
46 posted on 12/18/2001 5:12:38 PM PST by onyx
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
BUMP!
47 posted on 12/18/2001 5:28:03 PM PST by dead
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To: onyx
bttt
48 posted on 12/18/2001 5:37:04 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
CK has these goobers dead to rights.
49 posted on 12/18/2001 5:47:31 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
You said it: this will be viewed as the victory of one god over the other.
50 posted on 12/18/2001 6:07:10 PM PST by crystalk
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To: dennisw
The feeling that we might be responsible for the hatred directed against us suggested that we should perhaps seek to assuage and placate. But there is no assuaging those who see your very existence as a denial of the faith and an affront to God. There is no placating those who offer you the choice of conversion or death.

We can now, however, carry on with a confidence we did not have before Afghanistan. Confidence that even religious fanaticism can be defeated, that despite its bravado, it carries no mandate from heaven. The psychological effect of our stunning victory in Afghanistan is already evident.

It is beginning now not because our propaganda is good. Not because al-Jazeera changed its anti-American tune. Not because a wave of remorse spontaneously erupted in places like Saudi Arabia. But because, with our B-52s, our special forces, our smart bombs, our daisy cutters--our power and our will--we scattered the enemy.

Excellent article by Charles Krauthammer. Thanks Dennis.

51 posted on 12/18/2001 6:50:03 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: dennisw
You left me out!
52 posted on 12/18/2001 7:04:07 PM PST by Stavka2
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To: dennisw
Great article, thanks for the ping.

Bookmarked for future reference.

53 posted on 12/18/2001 7:09:51 PM PST by malakhi
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To: Republic
Thanks for the heads up!
54 posted on 12/18/2001 7:15:40 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
bump for a good article.
55 posted on 12/18/2001 7:27:53 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
bttt
56 posted on 12/18/2001 7:55:35 PM PST by timestax
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To: analog
For a start, plenty of us have no god or gods, so it doesn't make any sense from that perspective.

I think that is the whole point on why the Arabs street is silent now ---because to them it was about gods. The Arabs thought they would win because their god desired this. Now they have to question if their god wanted them to lose or if they're wrong about their god.

57 posted on 12/18/2001 8:07:46 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Wow-- I had to double-check -- I just can't believe this came out of Time magazine.

I would like to say, though, that although I never felt that the outcome was in doubt, I have been tremendously impressed with the execution of the war by our military. I read an article the other day in the New York Times talking about out our guys went about putting together the Southern & Eastern Alliance troops to take the south and east-- about figuring out who the commanders and political players needed to be, rousting them out of retirement in Pakistan, putting together the troops (and training them) , the supplies, the plan-- in short, there WAS no war in the south, and our guys created one. Gave me a whole new meaning to the term "make war". I can't wait until this whole thing is over (in Afghanistan, at least), so the books will come out that tell the whole story of where all our folks were and what they were doing-- what we've read so far is just the tip of the iceberg.

Most of all, though, I'm impressed with their accomplishments in light of the very small number of casualties. I would be willing to bet that fewer of our military guys have died in Afghanistan than would otherwise have died in car accidents, training accidents and bar fights had they all been back here in the U.S. instead.

Impressive-- start to finish, in the air and on land-- our troops are the BEST.

58 posted on 12/18/2001 8:26:03 PM PST by walden
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To: analog
I doubt that we have many athiests fighting over there. The atheist contribution to this effort was about nil, and that last line was perfectly fitting.
59 posted on 12/18/2001 8:29:38 PM PST by Ahban
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Look around. The Arab street is deathly quiet. The mobs, exultant on Sept. 11 and braying for American blood, have gone home. There are no recruits headed to Afghanistan to fight the infidel. The old recruits, battered and beaten and terrified, are desperately trying to sneak their way out of Afghanistan. The reason is simple. We won. Crushingly. Astonishingly. Destroying a regime 7,000 miles away, landlocked and almost inaccessible, in nine weeks."

Great quote.

60 posted on 12/18/2001 8:38:56 PM PST by VaBthang4
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