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To: DWSUWF
Who killed Mohammed al-Dura? 12-year-old Palestinian 'martyr' likely killed by his own people
12 posted on 12/18/2001 10:19:06 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
Yeah, that's what I was remembering, too. The kid was killed by Palestinians, yet they're using his death as a symbol of martyrdom against Israel. I shall be sorely disappointed if Bush kisses Arafat's ring by demanding that the Israelis "shut up and take it," as has been the prior modus operandi. Apparently, "peace" (cough, cough) is more important than truth and justice.
16 posted on 12/18/2001 10:24:39 AM PST by shezza
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To: veronica
For the discussion, the Downside Legacy on Mohammed al-Dura
19 posted on 12/18/2001 10:29:53 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: veronica
I remember the controversy regarding where the shots came from, but that isn't my question.

Your link describes the incident thusly:

"...Crouching in terror behind his father, who struggled in vain to protect his son from the gunfire, Mohammed was shot. He died there, cradled in his father's arms, after both father and son frantically pleaded for help..."

I remember an incident, caught on videotape (or film) that clearly showed a cowardly, clueless man absolutely failing to do what was required to (at least attempt) to protect his son from gunfire.

If it is the same incident, there's been a bit of 'revision' of the facts of the event.

23 posted on 12/18/2001 10:33:01 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: veronica
November 10, 2000
Ha'aretz News, Israel
Editorial: Stupidity Marches On

The death of Mohammed al Dura, the 12-year-old boy who was caught with his father in cross fire between Palestinians and Israel Defense Forces soldiers at the Netzarim junction in the Gaza Strip, was the event which epitomized the character of the conflict in the territories for many people: A confrontation between stone-throwing boys and armed soldiers who did not hesitate to use their weapons. In the course of these events, dozens of other boys have also been killed by IDF fire, and many have suffered head and chest wounds.

One can accuse the Palestinians of failing to stop children from taking part in violent incidents. One can also be indignant over the use of child fighters and of the exploitation of their injuries and deaths for propaganda purposes. However, the IDF must take action to stop killing a high number of young people. Israel should not accept the use of lethal fire when it is not for self-defense purposes.

The IDF, too, understands the impact on Israel's image of the list of those killed in the conflict. This is apparently the basis for the inquiry which Southern Commander Major General Yom Tov Samia ordered into the death of Mohammed al Dura.

Anat Cygielman's investigative report (Ha'aretz, November 7) reveals that the IDF has asked two civilians, physicist Nahum Shahaf and engineer Yosef Duriel, to try and reconstruct the incident. These people, who have volunteered their services, had their own preconceived ideas about the reason why al Dura was killed. In interviews to the media, Duriel contended that it was a premeditated incident staged by the Palestinians with the participation of the father, the television cameraman and Palestinian shooters. Shahaf admits that he shares Duriel's view, but is convinced Duriel made "a tactical error" in talking to the media. Duriel has been duly removed from the investigative committee, but Shahaf, who continues to serve on the committee, has not bothered to consult ballistics experts. Nor has he depended on the testimony of the soldiers or of the television crew.

It is hard to describe in mild terms the stupidity of this bizarre investigation. The circumstances of al Dura's death raise questions that definitely require a response. The IDF was quick to apologize at the time, without conducting an investigation as to whether the youth was killed by IDF fire. No Israeli institution bothered to set up an independent, expert investigation when this was possible. Now it is clear that the chances of getting to the truth of who shot the youth have been lost. With it, the belief in an independent IDF investigation has also been lost.

The fact that an organized body like the IDF, with its vast resources, undertook such an amateurish investigation - almost a pirate endeavor - on such a sensitive issue, is shocking and worrying. Is this the level of management of the head of the southern command? Where was the chief of staff? Why didn't the political echelons - the defense minister, for example - demand that a proper investigation be conducted?

Even if the investigation of the death of al Dura has gone badly wrong, top brass in the IDF as well as the political echelon which oversees the army must take into account the mounting significance of the growing list of youthful victims on the Palestinian side. It is their duty to find a solution that will decrease or even prevent this phenomenon.

November 8, 2000
Ha'aretz News, Israel
Mofaz: al Dura probe was initiated by Southern Command By Anat Cygielman

Chief of Staff Shaul Mofaz told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee yesterday that the team looking into the circumstances of the death of 12-year-old Mohammed al Dura at the Netzarim junction was put together at the initiative of GOC Southern Command Major General Yom Tov Samia and not the General Staff. Mofaz promised the members of the committee that he would look into how the decision to form the investigative committee was reached and why it had chosen to employ the particular methods it has used.

Mofaz fielded questions about the investigation into the death of al Dura after Ha'aretz reported yesterday that the IDF had staged re-enactments of the Netzarim shootout. These re-enactments, Ha'aretz reported, were initiated by two civilians, physicist Nahum Shahaf and engineer Yosef Duriel, who contacted Samia and argued that it is implausible that the boy was shot by IDF bullets. Samia appointed Shahaf to head the committee despite the fact that the physicist lacks experience in areas critical to the inquiry.

Questioning Mofaz about the committee's report, MK Ophir Pines-Paz (One Israel) said, "One gets the impression that instead of genuinely confronting this incident, the IDF has chosen to stage a fictitious re-enactment and cover up the incident by means of an inquiry with foregone conclusions and the sole purpose of which is to clear the IDF of responsibility for al Dura's death.

89 posted on 12/18/2001 11:25:17 AM PST by Asmodeus
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To: veronica
I overlooked including the clickable link for the articles included in Reply #89.
130 posted on 12/18/2001 1:05:41 PM PST by Asmodeus
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