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CHARLEY REESE: Israeli prime minister lets loose the dogs of war
The McComb Enterprise-Journal (MS) ^ | Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:43 AM CST | Charley Reese

Posted on 12/17/2001 9:30:48 AM PST by ouroboros

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To: Jethro Tull
Inbreeding abnormality perhaps...

You mean double-posting?

I think you think you ARE Irv Rubin.

It's the Norman Bates syndrome, perhaps.

141 posted on 12/18/2001 5:46:38 PM PST by veronica
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To: ouroboros
I like Charlie, but I think he's wrong on this one. Palestine has been terrorizing the Israeli's in a similar manner to what happened to us on 9/11. We aren't going to take it, and Israel isn't going to take it either.

Peace through strength can work for the Middle East, too.

142 posted on 12/18/2001 5:52:07 PM PST by copycat
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To: xm177e2
Comments on this?

History Channel to tell story of attack on USS Liberty

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By Robert Cristo, The Record August 09, 2001

WATERFORD - His brother died a hero on the ship's bridge when Israeli forces launched an unprovoked aircraft and torpedo attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War with Egypt in 1967.

Ever since, the attack in the Mediterranean Sea that killed 34 crew members and injured almost 200 has been a matter of controversy. The Israeli government claims it was a "tragic case of misidentification," while others, like James M. Ennes Jr., a USS Liberty survivor and author of "Assault on the Liberty," contend the ship was operating far from any fighting in international waters at the time of the attack, and flew a bright, clean American Flag that should have been noticed by Israeli forces.

A documentary on the controversial subject will air tonight on the History Channel, and one family whose lives were tragically transformed by that day in history will be watching.

Today, 50-year-old Michael Brown, originally from Troy and who now lives in Waterford with his wife Trudy, is still left wondering why the tragic incident that took the lives of his brother, Petty Officer Francis Brown, and the other crew members ever happened in the first place.

"We never received any real answers from Israel or the United States on what happened," said Brown, a 30-year veteran assembler at the Schenectady General Electric plant. "The government tried to cover it up ... but we want the truth."

The Browns may never get the answers they seek, but at least they have the memories of a man who, according to conversations Brown had with his brother's shipmates, possibly saved hundreds of lives by courageously steering the ship away from perilous torpedoes.

"Three torpedoes went up and because of his actions, one missed the front of the ship, and then he heard a whiz again by the front and a second torpedo hit, but he controlled the ship well enough that it didn't absorb the third blow," said Brown.

A "blow" that could have been devastating to the more than 200 crewmen aboard the ship, according those who Brown spoke with who were on the ship at the time.

"In my heart he was a real hero, who saved the lives of many people."

Brown remembers his brother as a person he always looked up to when they were growing up during the early 1960s on Sixth Avenue in downtown Troy.

"He was my favorite brother, and he used to take me to the Troy Boys Club where we played basketball," he said. "He was boxing champ and a good athlete. I used to watch him box and he taught me a lot about baseball."

But after his brother joined the Navy in the late 1960s, the Brown family's tranquil lives would be changed forever. Michael Brown was only a 16-year-old high school sophomore when the 75-minute attack that occurred on June 8 off the Sinai Peninsula killed his brother.

His recollections of the moment he was informed about his brother's death are as clear to him now as the very day it happened.

"I was in class during second period, and my name was called over the loudspeaker to go to the office, and I was told my brother was wounded," he said. "But when I was driven home by the father (priest) of our parish, he stopped the car on the side of the road and told me my brother was killed. I was devastated, and I didn't care about school for a long time."

In 1991 after a long struggle with Troy City Hall to get a monument put up in Francis Brown's honor, a ceremony was held in Troy's Prospect Park near the flagpole and tennis courts, which unveiled the 3-foot-high granite monument that will make sure Brown's legacy will never be forgotten. More than 200 people from the area attended, and seven surviving members of the crew were on hand for the ceremony, coming from as far away as Alaska and Hawaii to honor a man who was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross for his individual heroism during the attack.

"It was a very emotional day," said Trudy Brown. "This documents the importance of his life, because we didn't want him to be forgotten."

On the History Channel tonight at 8 p.m. a documentary will be broadcast about the subject. A tragic true story that the Brown family, and others like them, have painfully lived through. Yet, after so many years they are still left wondering what really happened that fateful day.

"Watching it will bring back some painful memories, said Michael Brown. "It'll bring tears to my eyes, because it should have never happened ... it was all for nothing. But I hope a lot of people watch, because nobody seems to remember or know about what happened.

143 posted on 12/18/2001 6:00:46 PM PST by LadyJD
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To: LadyJD
The Liberty episode is just the whipping boy by which Jew-haters fling their endless animus.
144 posted on 12/18/2001 6:03:02 PM PST by veronica
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To: Jethro Tull
But the best part is that some folks are actually speaking to me as if I am Rubin!!!

Doubtful. I think your illness is sending you on flight of fantasy. I mean what kind of person spends a whole day pretending to be someone else? There are medical terms for such a character. And they generally end up in white jackets with strange sleeves.

145 posted on 12/18/2001 6:06:01 PM PST by veronica
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To: Dubhghall
I can only hope that the stupid Israel-right-or-wrong crap isn't indicative of my country!

The Jews are God's chosen people. YOUR country was founded in the Judeo-Christian tradition, with trust in "divine Providence." It is right for America to support Israel.

Let the whole world turn against us, still we will fight for the right side.

146 posted on 12/18/2001 6:12:11 PM PST by copycat
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To: veronica
What's to hate? Seems to me simply a story that should be heard. (and seen)
147 posted on 12/18/2001 6:14:43 PM PST by LadyJD
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To: veronica
Amen. Those who use the Liberty as an excuse for their hatred of Israel have never given us a clear motive as to why Israel would intentionally attack a US ship. I agree that Israel was sloppy and irresponsible in their attempt to cover it up, but I'm sure they were motivated by their fear of igniting more hatred in the anti-Israel movement worldwide.
148 posted on 12/18/2001 9:29:12 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: plastic
I said the "irregular forces" started the attack before Israel had her independence and that article supports it. Did you read the article? It also clearly shows, contrary to your assertion, that these irregular forces were supplemented with help from the professional armies and Arab states.

As you see, they never accepted the partition plan, had been planning to attack with the professional armies (that is why they were so prepared to invade by the time Israel declared independence months later) and the irregular Arab forces were already engaged in fighting before Israel declared independence. Cutting off the food supplies is an act of war, and they were plotting to attack months before the British were to leave.

It's funny that you try to draw a line between the irregular Arab forces and the Arab armies. I doubt you would try to seperate the Stern gang from with the Jewish army. There are still irregular forces in the Arab lands today, such as Hamas, Hezbullah, Islamic Jihad, Al-Queda, and more.

150 posted on 12/19/2001 7:24:49 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: LadyJD; Veronica
Seems to me simply a story that should be heard

Seems to me that Freepers have heard and heard this story many times.

Veronica is right, this has become a whipping boy story on this website, and it has nothing to do with this thread.

151 posted on 12/19/2001 7:31:32 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
Beg to differ. It has everything to do with this thread.
152 posted on 12/19/2001 9:39:05 AM PST by LadyJD
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