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To: Carry_Okie
Treaty provsions do not stand as authority unless they are self-executing. In this case, the treaty requires laws to be made to implement it. Those laws have no special standing and can be overidden by more current law under the guise that it represents the current will of Congress.

Not-with-standing the Hague and the WTO, there is no body that enforces Treaties between sovereign nations. War and diplomacy are supposed to be the tools of international agreements. Although the SCOTUS interprets law to be in conformance with treaty provisions, those are ususally self-executing ones, such as granting privileges to non-US citizens on par with citizens rights.

Unless the law or regulation states that the purpose is to protect species in their natural habitat, then the Court will not enforce same.

On standing, the ESA specifically recognizes environmental groups as having standing. Bennett v. Spear was a SCOTUS case where a Klamath Basin rancher was DENIED standing on the basis that his economic interest wasn't sufficient to establish standing. He needed to represent the environment to sue. (The denial was shot down and the rancher recognized.)

21 posted on 12/16/2001 8:43:36 AM PST by marsh2
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To: marsh2
Treaty provsions do not stand as authority unless they are self-executing. In this case, the treaty requires laws to be made to implement it. Those laws have no special standing and can be overidden by more current law under the guise that it represents the current will of Congress.

Technically true, but the treaty is used by both RICOnuts and judges when creatively interpreting the implementing legislation. That is how and why the ESA has morphed so enormously to include every single subspecies they can fantacize. The rationale is the Convention on Biological Diversity. I know we didn't ratify that. See below.

there is no body that enforces Treaties between sovereign nations.

Correct, but that is why we have the IUCN directed NGO/Agency cabal that we do.

Unless the law or regulation states that the purpose is to protect species in their natural habitat, then the Court will not enforce same.

The ESA does indeed cite the Convention on Nature Protection for its authority. That provision was added in 1983 through an effort led by the NRDC. Further, all federill resource agencies are currently committed to implementing these treaties RATIFIED OR NOT under the bylaws governing their membership in the IUCN. When the Agenda 21 becomes hard law, that status will be permanent.

On standing, the ESA specifically recognizes environmental groups as having standing... He (the rancher) needed to represent the environment to sue.

Which is what I am recommending. Landowners are routinely denied standing in the courts. My system fixes that.

23 posted on 12/16/2001 9:16:59 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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