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To: jackbob
What is it that really makes one a libertarian?

A constant mantra that Thomas Jefferson's writings mean that the fate of the Republic hangs on the right to smoke dope and do drugs anytime, anywhere.

2 posted on 12/15/2001 11:41:30 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
What is it that really makes one a libertarian basher?

The willingness to use the same spurious claims over and over again, and the unwillingness to actually understand what one is bashing.

3 posted on 12/15/2001 11:47:08 AM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: Dane
Oops, too late.
5 posted on 12/15/2001 11:48:02 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Dane
Wow. What scrutiny.
6 posted on 12/15/2001 11:51:48 AM PST by Frances_Marion
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To: Dane;Joe Bonforte
Most people erroneously live by the 'motto' of do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Instead, leave people alone to create their life as they see fit so long as they do not initiate force, fraud or coercion you.

Value producers versus value destroyers. If civilization had to chose between business/science and government/bureaucracy, eliminating the other, which is the better choice?

The first thing civilization must have is business/science. Business/science can survive, even thrive without government/bureaucracy. Government/bureaucracy cannot survive without business/science. In general, business/science is the host and bureaucracy is a parasite.

Aside from that, keep valid government services that protect individual rights and property. Military defense, FBI, CIA, police and courts. With the rest of government striped away those few valid services would be several fold more efficient and effective than they are today. 

Grounded in inalienable rights and honest principle it is moral and legal to use force in self-defense against any person, group or government that initiates force, fraud or coercion. Because of that inescapable fact by default the initiation of force, fraud and coercion are crimes. The highest moral right is self-defense and survival.

Principle One: No person, group of persons, or government may initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against any individual.

Principle Two: Force may be morally and legally used only in self-defense against those who violate Principle One.

Principle Three: No exceptions be allowed for Principle One and Two.

initiation: 1 Starting something for the first time 2 An act that sets in motion some course of events

Initiation of force: when is it permissible to punch you in the nose, steal your property or kill you?

Initiation of fraud: when is it permissible to deceive or lie to you in order to have you hand over your money or put your life in harms way?

Initiation of coercion: when is it permissible to coerce/threaten you in order to have you hand over your money or put your life in harms way?

Self-defense: When is it permissible for you to defend your life and property?

All a person need be concerned with is whether they have been a victim and who violated Principle One. Then prove that to a jury.

Thus the ultimate purpose of the jury is to decide if harm has been done to the person claimed to be a victim and to what extent the person has been harmed. All juries would be informed that they have the option of nullification. That is based on the premise of Objective Law also known as The Point Law.

19 posted on 12/15/2001 12:38:31 PM PST by Zon
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To: Dane
A constant mantra that Thomas Jefferson's writings mean that the fate of the Republic hangs on the right to smoke dope and do drugs anytime, anywhere.

Are you constipated, experiencing PMS or just a troll?

107 posted on 12/15/2001 4:12:27 PM PST by The Shootist
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To: Dane
I see you're STILL consumed with wanting to know what's in everybody's urine.......

You need to get out more often.

redrock--Constitutional Terrorist

151 posted on 12/15/2001 8:19:34 PM PST by redrock
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