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To: rwfromkansas
Since Jefferson Davis refused to free the slaves down south; forced through legislation that suspended habeas corpus throughout the south (resulting in martial law being imposed in some southern cities); initiated conscription; proposed income taxes at levels far above those up north; and forcibly appropriated slave labor and agricultural goods for the war effort (something Lincoln never dreamed of doing) would you direct any of your condemnations at him?
55 posted on 12/16/2001 3:39:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
I have not looked much into the southern actions in teh war by the CSA upon its people, so I can't either confirm or deny this. But, if you are right, I condemn Davis just as much as I would Lincoln.
65 posted on 12/16/2001 5:59:38 AM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: Non-Sequitur
Let's don't mislead people, Non.

Since Jefferson Davis refused to free the slaves down south;Lincoln did not free the slaves in the North.

forced through legislation that suspended habeas corpus throughout the south; Davis legally and duly submitted it to a vote, Lincoln did not.

initiated conscription; So did Lincoln.

proposed income taxes at levels far above those up north; Lincoln's taxes were much higher, remember the tariffs?

and forcibly appropriated slave labor and agricultural goods for the war effort (something Lincoln never dreamed of...

His man, Sherman, did, and with Lincoln's permission.

74 posted on 12/16/2001 9:19:42 AM PST by WhowasGustavusFox
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To: Non-Sequitur
The First Income Tax

The first Federal income tax was levied to help pay for the Union war effort. In the summer of 1861, Salmon P. Chase reported to the Congress that he would need $320 million over the next fiscal year to finance the war. He thought he could put his hands on $300 million by borrowing part of it and raising the rest through existing taxes and sale of public lands. He left it up to Congress to come up with a way to raise the remaining $20 million. After weighing their options, the House Ways and Means Committee drew up a bill to tax personal and corporate incomes. This bill, the first income tax measure in the United States, called for a 3% tax on incomes over $800. Although the bill quickly passed in both the House and the Senate, it was never put into operation. Still, it paved the way for the next bill of its kind. In 1862, Abraham Lincoln signed a bill that imposed a 3% tax on incomes between $600 and $10,000 and a 5% tax on higher incomes. The bill was amended in 1864 to levy a tax of 5% on incomes between $600 and $5,000, a 7.5% tax on incomes in the $5,000-$10,000 range and a 10% tax on everything higher. This bill was repealed in 1872 and declared to be unconstitutional. The Confederacy also collected income taxes. It authorized its first national income tax measure in 1863. The Confederate bill that finally passed after great debate was a graduated income tax. It exempted wages up to $1,000, levied a 1% tax on the first $1,500 over the exemption, and 2% on all additional income.

89 posted on 12/16/2001 1:08:17 PM PST by WhowasGustavusFox
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To: Non-Sequitur
So, it would appear that your comment, "proposed income taxes at levels far above those up north, was just not correct after all. Shocking.
90 posted on 12/16/2001 1:11:56 PM PST by WhowasGustavusFox
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To: Non-Sequitur
Since Jefferson Davis refused to free the slaves down south; forced through legislation that suspended habeas corpus throughout the south (resulting in martial law being imposed in some southern cities); initiated conscription; proposed income taxes at levels far above those up north; and forcibly appropriated slave labor and agricultural goods for the war effort (something Lincoln never dreamed of doing) would you direct any of your condemnations at him?

I know I do.

94 posted on 12/16/2001 1:54:53 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Non-Sequitur
Since Jefferson Davis...proposed income taxes at levels far above those up north (Your comment)

Here is the income tax passed by Mr. Davis' government:

The bill that was finally passed on 24 April 1863, called for a milder graduated income tax exempting wages to $1,000, and levying a 1% tax on the first $15,000 over the exemption and 2% on all additional income. (my post)

That was the Confederate tax.

The Lincoln tax was:

In 1862, Abraham Lincoln signed a bill that imposed a 3% tax on incomes between $600 and $10,000 and a 5% tax on higher incomes. The bill was amended in 1864 to levy a tax of 5% on incomes between $600 and $5,000, a 7.5% tax on incomes in the $5,000-$10,000 range and a 10% tax on everything higher. (your post)

So, that makes your comments:

"Since Jefferson Davis...proposed income taxes at levels far above those up north" and "I realize that southern school systems are constantly ranked at the bottom of national averages but even they should realize that figures like 14% and 24% are greater than 5% and 10%" invalid. Be glad that WhiskeyPapa isn't around, or else he would call them lies.

Looks like you are the one who is wrong.

Double dog Shocking!

137 posted on 12/17/2001 2:05:32 PM PST by WhowasGustavusFox
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