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To: WhiskeyPapa
Now, you've gone from quoting dead people out of context while ignoring contrary quotes from the same people to outright making up lies!

Between the day Davis was elected and the action at Charleston, he made several key speeches & writings constantly demonstrating a desire for peace. "All we want is to be left alone". He even sent peace envoys to Washington only to have the warmongering tyrant Lincoln reject them.

You lie about Ft Sumter being starved out in a few days. The Confederates fired on the fort only after the warmongering tyrant sent supplies & reenforcements to hold the fort blockading the port at Charleston in a deliberate act of war against the soverinty of South Carolina.

You lie about Kentucky. The legislature there narrowly voted against secession only after the saber rattling tyrant Lincoln made numerous varied threats against the lives & property of the elected officials who dared stand up to his crimes against the constitution. The elected governor immediately resigned & led Kentucky's volunteer troops into battle against America's Stalin. The flag of the Orphan Brigade is one of America's most precious shrines in the everlasting war against tyranny.

138 posted on 12/17/2001 2:56:01 PM PST by shuckmaster
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To: shuckmaster
Now, you've gone from quoting dead people out of context while ignoring contrary quotes from the same people to outright making up lies!

I'd be glad for you to show I have quoted anyone (dead or alive)out of context or that I have ignored any pertinent quotes, or that I have told any lies. Go for it.

Walt

139 posted on 12/17/2001 3:12:40 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: shuckmaster
You lie about Ft Sumter being starved out in a few days. The Confederates fired on the fort only after the warmongering tyrant sent supplies & reenforcements to hold the fort blockading the port at Charleston in a deliberate act of war against the soverinty of South Carolina.

I got this off the 'net by searching on "Anderson", "Beauregard" and "Sumter". It took about ten seconds.

"In 1861, Charleston Harbor held several batteries such as Fort Johnson, Castle Pinckney and Fort Moultrie. Also in the harbor was Fort Sumter which as under the command of Maj. Anderson. On November 9, 1860 the United States Flag was taken down at all the batteries and the South Carolina state flag was raised. After seeing this, Maj. Anderson sent word to Washington asking for additional troops and started his men erecting defenses. His hopes of additional men were dashed as the Star Of The West, carrying two hundred men, was fired upon by both the battery on Morris Island and Fort Moultrie, striking it twice. The Star of the West turned and left Charleston Harbor. On April 11, Gen. Beauregard sent his aides, Col. James Chestnut and Capt. Stephen Lee to deliver an ultimatum to Maj. Anderson. In it Beauregard specified that he would facilitate the removal of weapons and supplies from the fort, send personal items to any location desired but Anderson was to evacuate Sumter immediately. Anderson replied that his honor prevented him from doing so. He also informed Beauregard that the matter may be taken out of his hands anyway if they (the Confederates) didn’t batter down the walls, the Union soldiers would starved out anyway in a few days."

I think you are a little confused. And you shouldn't call people liars unless you can back it up.

Walt

140 posted on 12/17/2001 3:19:43 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: shuckmaster
You lie about Kentucky. The legislature there narrowly voted against secession only after the saber rattling tyrant Lincoln made numerous varied threats against the lives & property of the elected officials who dared stand up to his crimes against the constitution. The elected governor immediately resigned & led Kentucky's volunteer troops into battle against America's Stalin. The flag of the Orphan Brigade is one of America's most precious shrines in the everlasting war against tyranny.

Again,a search of the 'net for "Kentucky", "Davis", "Legislature" and "1861" yielded the following:

"On May 16, 1861, the Kentucky lower house overwhelmingly adopted a resolution of the state's official neutrality in the Civil War and a resolution refusing to heed President Lincoln's call for military volunteers; Kentucky's upper house concurred five days later. On May 20, Governor Beriah Magoffin issued a proclamation recognizing and affirming Kentucky's neutrality.

Magoffin also urged his fellow governors of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, and Tennessee to send delegates to a conference intended to force the Union and the Confederacy to cease hostilities and negotiate a settlement. The three northern state governors refused to consider the proposal and busied themselves with mobilizing for the Union cause, while Tennessee staked its claim with the Confederacy. On June 8, only Missouri and Kentucky were represented at the peace conference, which passed a few resolutions and quickly adjourned.

Governor Magoffin rejected requests from both Lincoln and Jefferson Davis, the Confederate president, to supply their respective armies with troops from his state. The governor, however, was sympathetic to the Confederate cause and looked the other way when Confederate recruiters entered Kentucky. There was also a substantial and lucrative trade in various wartime goods, such as horses, food, and even munitions, flowing from the north through Kentucky into the Confederacy. The Union army and Midwestern governors took steps to curb the trade, but they could not eliminate it. President Lincoln believed that theoretically he had the constitutional authority to compel Kentucky's compliance with the Union, but recognized his "real world" options were severely limited. Any premature show of force could send Kentucky into the arms of the Confederacy. As bad as neutrality was, that scenario would be far worse.

Lincoln's patience was finally rewarded. On June 20, 1861, (the day after this postdated cartoon was published), Kentucky Unionists secured five of six congressional seats in a special election (many pro-Confederates boycotted the vote). That political victory was reinforced in the legislative elections on August 5 when Unionists won large majorities in both the state house and senate. On August 16, President Lincoln issued a proclamation prohibiting all trade with the Confederacy.

The final turning point came on the battlefield. At the westernmost edge of Kentucky, Confederate troops under Leonidas Polk were stationed in northwestern Tennessee and Union forces under Ulysses S. Grant manned Cairo, Illinois, fifty miles north. On September 3, 1861, Polk and his men invaded Kentucky to capture the railroad terminal at Columbus.

In reaction, Grant moved his troops into Paducah and Smithfield, Kentucky. Both sides had violated Kentucky's neutrality, but the Confederates were the initial aggressors. On September 18, the Kentucky legislature resolved that the Confederate "invaders must be expelled." The American flag was hoisted above the capital, and Governor Magoffin resigned."

--Robert C. Kennedy

Ummmm....you've made another error of fact.

Did you do so in ignorance or malevolence? Another alternative doesn't immediately suggest itself

Walt

141 posted on 12/17/2001 3:32:08 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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