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Mars Odyssey Detects Signs of Water
BBC ^ | Friday, 14 December, 2001, 16:50 GMT | David Whitehouse

Posted on 12/14/2001 2:39:25 PM PST by grimalkin

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To: Johnny Shear
I can only assume it's because the Bible doesn't SAY God crated Martians on the 8th day.

I don't believe that God ever said He was going to tell us everything He has, is and will do.

101 posted on 12/17/2001 2:47:19 PM PST by Scully
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To: RadioAstronomer
Placemarker.
102 posted on 12/17/2001 6:07:54 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Joe Hadenuf
There is something more like 20,000,000,000,000,000 (I think this is 20 quadrillion in American English) planets in the universe assuming 100 billion galaxies with 200 billion planets each (2 per star).
103 posted on 12/17/2001 6:21:45 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
In your opinion would there be more of a chance for life outside Earth if there were 20,000,000,000,000,000 Planets, or if there were only couple planets?
104 posted on 12/17/2001 10:54:51 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
More planets means a higher probability.

For some reason the universe has kept growing since I graduated. The Milky Way used to only have 100 billion stars and there were only 100 million galaxies in the universe. I'm thinking it was the Carter inflation.

105 posted on 12/18/2001 8:05:48 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
More planets means a higher probability.

Just curious, as some on this thread were not in agreement with that idea.

106 posted on 12/18/2001 8:20:07 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: grimalkin
Does this mean that it would be possible to survive there? How about the possiblity of establishing colonies? Hhmmm...sounds like we may have found a way of ridding the country of liberal vermin. Works for me.
107 posted on 12/18/2001 8:47:55 AM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I have heard two different trains of thought, one a closed universe and another open. I think the current belief is that its an open ever expanding universe.
Actually, it appears that the Universe is flat. See Unveiling A Lack Of Dark Matter
108 posted on 12/18/2001 8:53:03 AM PST by callisto
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To: Arthalion
Don't get me wrong. I run Seti@Home on four of my computers and hope against hope that we'll someday make contact with one of those species

If that happens you had better hope they are benign!:^0

Cordially,

109 posted on 12/18/2001 9:12:24 AM PST by Diamond
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To: grimalkin
For a little more detail:
FROM SPACE.COM

The Mars Odyssey spacecraft has uncovered preliminary yet tantalizing evidence for water near the surface of Mars and away from the permanently frozen north polar ice cap.

Scientists already know there is water ice in the polar cap. But water ice near the surface in warmer regions of the planet would be a remarkable and long-sought finding that would have broad implications in the search for extraterrestrial life and for the possibility of human exploration of Mars.

The data, collected during tests of Odyssey's neutron spectrometer, show signs of hydrogen, which may or may not mean there is water. Hydrogen is one component of water but also exists alone and in other substances.

NASA researchers stressed that the findings are preliminary. They aren't sure exactly what the new data tell them, but they were optimistic enough to discuss the research this week at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco.

Just 3 feet down

The detection of hydrogen points to the possibility that there is water ice within 3 feet (1 meter) of the surface, said James Garvin, lead scientist for the Mars Exploration Program at NASA Headquarters in Washington, D.C.

"Is this a real science result? Maybe," Garvin told SPACE.com. "But whatever it is, it bodes very well for finding hydrogen in the upper few feet of Mars, and the most likely culprit is water ice."

Such ice might melt in summer months and would be reachable by robotic or human explorers. It might even support microbial life, as researchers have found on Earth that wherever there is water, there is life.

Bill Feldman, the principal investigator of Odyssey's neutron spectrometer and a researcher at Los Alamos National Lab, first revealed the findings Wednesday at the AGU meeting.

The quantity of hydrogen detected was so startling -- suggesting a huge concentration relative to what Feldman saw with a similar instrument on Lunar Prospector, which surveyed the Moon -- that researchers may task Odyssey to begin mapping crustal water ice during the first week January, Garvin said.

Science just beginning

Meanwhile, Odyssey isn't even supposed to be doing science yet. The craft, which arrived at Mars in September, is still in the middle of aerobraking, a procedure designed to slow it down and pull it into a permanent, stable orbit around Mars. The task won't be completed until at least mid-January.

But Garvin said a great story may be about to unfold.

The hydrogen detection was made during the first test of Odyssey's neutron spectrometer, a subsystem of a gamma ray spectrometer instrument.

The test pass covered an area from the equator to the north pole. The resolution of the observations were at 100 kilometers or more.

Garvin explained that the speculation of water ice is based on comparing observations over the permanent ice cap with observations farther south. Scientists know that the polar cap contains both water ice and carbon dioxide ice, commonly thought of as dry ice. The northern ice cap shrinks in summer to as little as 1,000 kilometers in diameter. In winter, it ranges as far south as 60 degrees latitude. Odyssey detected hydrogen farther south, at 55 degrees. The poles are at 90 degrees and zero represents the equator.

"This pass suggested that hydrogen was enriched in a high-latitude region extending from around 55 degrees North to near to the edge of the north polar cap, and that it was not enhanced over the north polar permanent cap," Garvin said. "This suggests, in a most preliminary sense, that if the hydrogen in the northern high latitudes is water, that there is ice in the upper meter or so of this region ... and that it is masked by a carbon dioxide frost cover on the permanent cap."

Garvin and others expect a flurry of findings from Odyssey early next year. The craft will also map Mars in visible and infrared light, and is expected to produce a picture a day beginning in February. But it is the search for water that will be Odyssey's top priority.

Just weeks ago, one top Odyssey scientist said the prospects for finding water near the surface of Mars represented a longshot.

All that seems to have changed now.

"We're not there yet, but getting close. So stay tuned," Garvin said. "We should be reporting on definitive water mapping by sometime in early February 2002. My bet is that we will see lots of new 'water stories' once Odyssey is mapping."


110 posted on 12/18/2001 10:17:08 AM PST by callisto
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To: Joe Hadenuf
God's mysteries are infinite. But that doesn't mean they're not scary.
111 posted on 12/18/2001 10:51:35 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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