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I'm astounded our government is stripping us of our rights.
Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | 12.13.2001 | By Dimitri Vassilaros reposted by Chicagofarmer

Posted on 12/14/2001 2:18:44 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:02:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

This media writer has his head screwed on straight in OHIO.

Drop him a note regarding his article. He would probably appreciate it.

Voyeurs will love to see one of my reader's views about a recent column. A Cleveland Browns player was arrested in the Strip District and charged with a felony because police found his unregistered gun in the console of his vehicle.


(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial
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What is the difference between the first, second, third, etc. thru the tenth. They all protect rights of citizens.
1 posted on 12/14/2001 2:18:44 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (lawjj2@allways.net)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Don't forget Bill of Rights day is tomorrow, December 15.
2 posted on 12/14/2001 2:22:16 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Consider it clarified.

Hahaha... good one.

3 posted on 12/14/2001 2:25:12 PM PST by Sandy
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
No permits required to obtain an abortion, either, which is supposedly an implied Constitutional right,
in which the life of another will certainly take place.
4 posted on 12/14/2001 2:39:27 PM PST by onedoug
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Sent him an email thanking him for the article. I mentioned that he was dead on comparing the 2nd to the 1st amendment.
Also brought up that utilitarian arguments brought up on this subject are a slippery slope. We all know statistics can be skewed to state anything. Best way is to just say "what part of 'right' don't you understand?"
5 posted on 12/14/2001 2:44:59 PM PST by lelio
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To: Sandy
Eagle

Bill of Rights
[Volume 5, Page 6]

Document 5

Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776, Declaration of RightsThorpe 5:3082--84

I. That all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent and inalienable rights, amongst which are, the enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.

II. That all men have a natural and unalienable right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences and understanding: And that no man ought or of right can be compelled to attend any religious worship, or erect or support any place of worship, or maintain any ministry, contrary to, or against, his own free will and consent: Nor can any man, who acknowledges the being of a God, be justly deprived or abridged of any civil right as a citizen, on account of his religious sentiments or peculiar mode of religious worship: And that no authority can or ought to be vested in, or assumed by any power whatever, that shall in any case interfere with, or in any manner controul, the right of conscience in the free exercise of religious worship.

III. That the people of this State have the sole, exclusive and inherent right of governing and regulating the internal police of the same.

IV. That all power being originally inherent in, and consequently derived from, the people; therefore all officers of government, whether legislative or executive, are their trustees and servants, and at all times accountable to them.

V. That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection and security of the people, nation or community; and not for the particular emolument or advantage of any single man, family, or sett of [Volume 5, Page 7] men, who are a part only of that community; And that the community hath an indubitable, unalienable and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish government in such manner as shall be by that community judged most conducive to the public weal.

VI. That those who are employed in the legislative and executive business of the State, may be restrained from oppression, the people have a right, at such periods as they may think proper, to reduce their public officers to a private station, and supply the vacancies by certain and regular elections.

VII. That all elections ought to be free; and that all free men having a sufficient evident common interest with, and attachment to the community, have a right to elect officers, or to be elected into office.

VIII. That every member of society hath a right to be protected in the enjoyment of life, liberty and property, and therefore is bound to contribute his proportion towards the expence of that protection, and yield his personal service when necessary, or an equivalent thereto: But no part of a man's property can be justly taken from him, or applied to public uses, without his own consent, or that of his legal representatives: Nor can any man who is conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms, be justly compelled thereto, if he will pay such equivalent, nor are the people bound by any laws, but such as they have in like manner assented to, for their common good.

IX. That in all prosecutions for criminal offences, a man hath a right to be heard by himself and his council, to demand the cause and nature of his accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses, to call for evidence in his favour, and a speedy public trial, by an impartial jury of the country, without the unanimous consent of which jury he cannot be found guilty; nor can he be compelled to give evidence against himself; nor can any man be justly deprived of his liberty except by the laws of the land, or the judgment of his peers.

X. That the people have a right to hold themselves, their houses, papers, and possessions free from search and seizure, and therefore warrants without oaths or affirmations first made, affording a sufficient foundation for them, and whereby any officer or messenger may be commanded or required to search suspected places, or to seize any person or persons, his or their property, not particularly described, are contrary to that right, and ought not to be granted.

XI. That in controversies respecting property, and in suits between man and man, the parties have a right to trial by jury, which ought to be held sacred.

XII. That the people have a right to freedom of speech, and of writing, and publishing their sentiments; therefore the freedom of the press ought not to be restrained.

XIII. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

XIV. That a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles, and a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, industry, and frugality are absolutely necessary to preserve the blessings of liberty, and keep a government free: The people ought therefore to pay particular attention to these points in the choice of officers and representatives, and have a right to exact a due and constant regard to them, from their legislatures and magistrates, in the making and executing such laws as are necessary for the good government of the state.

XV. That all men have a natural inherent right to emigrate from one state to another that will receive them, or to form a new state in vacant countries, or in such countries as they can purchase, whenever they think that thereby they may promote their own happiness.

XVI. That the people have a right to assemble together, to consult for their common good, to instruct their representatives, and to apply to the legislature for redress of grievances, by address, petition, or remonstrance.

The Founders' Constitution
Volume 5, Bill of Rights, Document 5
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/bill_of_rightss5.html
The University of Chicago Press

Thorpe, Francis Newton, ed. The Federal and State Constitutions, Colonial Charters, and Other Organic Laws of the States, Territories, and Colonies Now or Heretofore Forming the United States of America. 7 vols. Washington, D.C.: Government Printing Office, 1909.

© 1987 by The University of Chicago
All rights reserved. Published 2000
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/


6 posted on 12/14/2001 2:48:23 PM PST by vannrox
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Bump. When they didn't like Amendment 18 (Prohibition) passed the 21st and repealed it. If they don't like the 2nd they should propose an amendment to repeal it.

When the government has no respect for the Constitution, the people have no respect for the government.

7 posted on 12/14/2001 2:50:48 PM PST by Justa
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To: vannrox;bang_list
If Pittsburg and Philly want to control their nation leading crime rates they ought to try following their own constitution.
8 posted on 12/14/2001 2:56:18 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: vannrox
Why do we need license from the state to exercise only this right? It's not called the "Bill of Rights (except one)." Even felons who have served their time are protected by the Bill of Rights -- EXCEPT the Second Amendment. Some amendments should not be more equal than others.


Everyone talks about the Second Amendment as if it were the only portion of the Bill of Rights that is applicable here. In Pennsylvania, the Pennsylvania Bill of Rights is the first line of defense in the protection of civil liberties. The federal Bill of Rights is the Last line of defense.


You will notice that the Pennsylvania Bill of Rights is much more specific than the broadly worded Federal version.

9 posted on 12/14/2001 3:00:28 PM PST by vannrox
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Actually, states that allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed guns generally have lower crime rates than other states. And ,of course, the cities that enforce the most draconian laws that violate the meaning of the Second Amendment generally have the highest crime rates. Um, do you see a pattern here?

States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%.
John R. Lott, Jr., 'More Guns, Less Violent Crime

Every year, as many as one-half million citizens defend themselves with a firearm while away from the home.
The Orange County Register, 19 September 1993

In the ten years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, there were 478,248 people who received permits to carry firearms. FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 39% during that 10-year period. The Florida rate is now far below the national average.
Florida Department of State, Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report (10/1/87-12/31/97) and 'Crime in the United States,' Uniform Crime Reports, (1988): 7, 53; and FBI, (1998):15, 77.

During the first ten years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by conceal carry holders by a 146 to 88 margin.
Memo by Sandra B. Mortham, Secretary of State, Florida Department of State, Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report (10/1/87-12/31/97). Mark Trainor, Public Information Specialist for the Office of Information Services, Florida Game and Fresh Water Fish Commission, Tallahassee, Florida (14 December 1998).

In 1987, when Florida enacted such legislation, critics warned that instead of the "Sunshine State", it would become the "Gunshine State". Contrary to the critics predictions, homicide and violent crime dropped faster than the national average. Further, through 1997, only one permit holder out of the over 350,000 permits issued, was convicted of homicide.
Kleck, Gary Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, Walter de  Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997

"What we can say with some confidence is that allowing more people to carry guns does not cause an increase in crime. In Florida, where 315,000 permits have been issued, there are only five known instances of violent gun crime by a person with a permit. This makes a permit-holding Floridian the cream of the crop of law-abiding citizens, 840 times less likely to commit a violent firearm crime than a randomly selected Floridian without a permit."
"More Permits Mean Less Crime..." Los Angeles Times, Feb. 19, 1996, Monday, p. B-5

Courtesy of gunfacts.org

10 posted on 12/14/2001 3:01:05 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
Also..Consider this portion of the Pennsylvania Bill of Rights. After all, this section makes it quite clear about the freedoms applicable to a Pennsylvania Resident in his property:


X. That the people have a right to hold themselves, their houses, papers, and possessions free from search and seizure, and therefore warrants without oaths or affirmations first made, affording a sufficient foundation for them, and whereby any officer or messenger may be commanded or required to search suspected places, or to seize any person or persons, his or their property, not particularly described, are contrary to that right, and ought not to be granted.

12 posted on 12/14/2001 3:06:54 PM PST by vannrox
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To: AAABEST

"...whereby any officer or messenger may be commanded or required to search suspected places, or to seize any person or persons, his or their property, not particularly described, are contrary to that right, and ought not to be granted..."


13 posted on 12/14/2001 3:09:24 PM PST by vannrox
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To: AAABEST
During the first ten years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by conceal carry holders by a 146 to 88 margin.
Since those gators were protecting their home I'm surprised that the legislature hasn't moved to de-tooth them.
14 posted on 12/14/2001 3:16:09 PM PST by lelio
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
I'm astounded our government is stripping us of our rights.

I'm not. They've been doing it for decades. The frog is almost boiled.

15 posted on 12/14/2001 3:18:09 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: EricOKC
Saw a guy wearing a t-shirt today that said:

READ ME AND MY DADDYS LIPS

NO MORE CONGRESS

NO MORE LIBERTY

NO MORE FREEDOM

BY EXECUTIVE ORDER

By EXECUTIVE PRIVELEDGE Its SECRET

He was drawing a pretty big crowd at the mall.

17 posted on 12/14/2001 3:36:43 PM PST by railhead
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Thanks for posting this article.

I posted the article that this is following up on back in November. If anyone is interested, here is the link to the original on FR:

This Strip `search' a victim of new law

18 posted on 12/14/2001 3:53:03 PM PST by the
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Hey I know him......
19 posted on 12/14/2001 3:55:49 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: hedgetrimmer
TO HEDGETRIMMER Yes I remember. Son of American Revolution.
20 posted on 12/15/2001 8:12:00 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER
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