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To: John SBM
Communism,Socialism,Capitalism these are just idealistic ideas. The reality is that it really comes down to oppression vs freedom or put another way power and control.

Communism failed because it took away freedom, ran inefficiently and created an elite group of rulers that enjoyed the good life so to speak.

Would we in America really be any better of if our Government take away our freedom and ensures a lavish lifestyle for the rich and famous? And speaking of bureaucracy have you though about how much bureaucracy there is these days? When large business can dictate to the government what its policy will be and we the people have no say in the matter are we any better off. Take missile defense for example. Did you get to vote on the missile defense shield? What use is all of the comforts of home when home succumbs to a nuclear warhead?

Would it be better to have a few Marxist running the show or a few corporate executives?

The question we need to ask is does your government serve the people or do we serve the government? Remember it is supposed to be government by the people for the people.

57 posted on 12/13/2001 8:42:36 AM PST by LaFontaine
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To: LaFontaine
Wow! Are you saying ideas don't matter? If so, the rest of you points don;t really matter either, because they flow from an idea.
61 posted on 12/13/2001 8:46:10 AM PST by John SBM
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To: LaFontaine
Communism failed because it took away freedom, ran inefficiently and created an elite group of rulers that enjoyed the good life so to speak.

Actually it failed because it was a swindle based on lies and a few fairy tales about human nature combined with a bunch of bogus utopian promises. But, go on.

Would we in America really be any better of if our Government take away our freedom and ensures a lavish lifestyle for the rich and famous?

No, of course not. That is why I oppose socialism. In taxing us at over 50%, they are taking away our freedom (in the form of the wealth we control - which leads to freedom to choose how to live our lives), and giving it to entrenched bureaucrats (tenured professors, government employees, etc.) in order to ensure a lavish lifestyle for them.

That is why I oppose socialism, because it is a feudalism with the intelligentsia at the top, living off of taxes they extract from the rest of us.

And speaking of bureaucracy have you though about how much bureaucracy there is these days?

Yes, I have. A byproduct of socialist tendencies (i.e. huge tax burden). Large tax receipts create a huge slush fund for the government lords to reward their friends with, by giving them silly bureaucrat jobs.

When large business can dictate to the government what its policy will be and we the people have no say in the matter are we any better off.

If large business can "dictate" to the government what its policy will be then you had better explain why Microsoft has had such a hard time getting the government off its back the last 2-3 years.

Seems more like it's the government which can dictate businesses' policy, to me. Government can tell you who to hire, what you can do on your property, where you can sell your products, and so on.

Take missile defense for example. Did you get to vote on the missile defense shield?

No, because we live in a Constitutional Republic and therefore we don't decide each and every issue by popular referendum. Instead, we vote for candidates who will govern, in pre-defined posts with limited powers.

And I was given the opportunity to vote for George W. Bush, a candidate for the office of "President", who stated up front throughout his campaign that he intended to proceed with building missile defense, if elected. Indeed that is a big reason why I voted for him.

What use is all of the comforts of home when home succumbs to a nuclear warhead?

Good point. All the more reason to build missile defense.

Would it be better to have a few Marxist running the show or a few corporate executives?

Corporate executives (taking a leave of absence from their business to accept government posts), obviously. They come from an environment where failure is not rewarded. Marxists come from an intellectual environment where results are irrelevant and lying through one's teeth is considered clever.

The question we need to ask is does your government serve the people or do we serve the government?

In a truly free Constitutional Republic, the government serves the people. Unfortunately, in a partially-socialist society like the one we have currently, we serve the government - we work half the year just to pay taxes the government tells us we "owe" it, we have to comply with various government fiats, etc. So, I'm with you, let's get the government back to serving the people again - by reducing it back to a non-socialist, Constitutional Republic.

(That is what you mean, right? ;)

186 posted on 12/13/2001 4:25:39 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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