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To: beavus
Fun comment! And you've hit a great point! Individuals are not permitted to steal. But they can get together and vote for someone who will steal in their name, calling it promotion of the genernal welfare, and it is suddenly a righteous thing!
224 posted on 12/16/2001 3:04:12 AM PST by John SBM
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To: John SBM
Socialism: a righteous way to steal.

That's pretty good. We should put it on some billboards--maybe next to a pretty smiling young woman drinking a glass of milk.

228 posted on 12/16/2001 3:27:41 AM PST by beavus
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To: John SBM
Socialism and Democracy are both three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner! Individual rights be damned - it's what the "collective" or "majority" want. This is precisly what our founding fathers tried to protect us from. If someone owns a business or land or whatever, they should be the ones deciding whom and what they will serve/sell and in what atmosphere and manner. People may then choose to either patronize the establishment or not. In a capitalistic society, if the owner was using practices not accesptable to the public - he would go out of business. This is capitalism at its finest - supply and demand. When the government steps in and tells, say, a bar owner that he cannot allow smoking in HIS establishment - he may lose enough business that he must close up shop (through no fault nor decision of his own) and this is socialism or, at least, fascism (government CONTROL of property although they don't own it outright).

The first step in repeal of this wealth re-distribution (which is a Marxists philosophy, BTW) would be to repeal the income tax. Our government was not set up to provide "Safety Nets" to those who (in too many cases) REFUSE to support themselves and their off-spring. The fruits of my labors should not be STOLEN under threat of prosecution to support someone else nor, even, someone else's ideals. This IS socialism and just because people choose to keep their heads in the sand doesn't make it less true.

When the dear old federal government decided to BRIBE/BLACKMAIL the individual states to enact seat-belt laws with money they STOLE from us to begin with - they moved one step closer to COMMUNISM and it has steadily gotten worse since then. Zoning laws are socialist. Government run/funded schools are socialist especially when coupled with MANDATORY attendence laws and curriculum. Anti-smoking laws are socialist. "Hate speech crimes" are socialist (the 1st amendment PROTECTS free speech - it doesn't say a darn thing about free speech as long as no one's feelings are hurt - remember the old addage about sticks and stones? Of course, they don't teach THAT in school any more). Seat belt laws are socialist (these laws were "supposedly" enacted because people who weren't buckleing up were costing "society" $$$ if they were involved in accidents --- no more socialist medicaid and medicare and no more "reason" for seat belt LAWS). The "powers that be" will probably use this same line of "reasoning" when they outlaw Big Macs, french fries, fried chicken and caffine containing drinks. After all, these things are "costing" society!! BS!! The government is supposed to protect us NOT regulate us and steal the fruits of our labors. If the government wants to INFORM us that fried foods aren't healthy, that it's safer to wear our seat belts while driving, that we SHOULD (not MUST) purchase cars with air-bags, that smoking is dangerous, etc. etc, ad infintim, GREAT! When it starts mandating BEHAVIOR that harms only the "perpetrator", then the problems start. How long will it be before the gov. starts deciding what kind of chairs or beds we can buy for our homes (more than they already do), after all, we all know that waterbeds are bad for our back. Right? .... right?

When we allowed the government to start doing our thinking and reasoning for us, we abdicated our personal responsibilties to the nanny state and the ONLY way (IMHO) to regain our freedom would be to VASTLY reduce its power by VASTLY reducing its power (money).

269 posted on 12/17/2001 6:34:04 AM PST by KentuckyWoman
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