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To: gcraig
Those morons who don't know how to feed their kids and who file frivolous law suits.

I was just checking.

BTW, although I'm not defending the moron or the lawsuit, I'm also not about to call her a bad parent simply because she claims she tried to feed her kids at 9:52 p.m. For me to make that kind of judgment I would want to know the ages of her children (were they 2 and 3, or 12 and 13), and the reason why they were eating at that hour. On a recent trip to Florida, for example, our plane arrived 2.5 hours late. My children were hungry because they hadn't had anything to eat since mid-afternoon. All of the restaurants at the airport were closed. By the time I got the luggage and a rent-a-car and found a place to feed the kids, we were 10 minutes into the next day. So I guess that makes me a bad parent because I was feeding my kids dinner at midnight.

Also, as hard as this may be for you to believe, racism does still exist in the economic fabric of our society. Let me give you an example that I actually witnessed: A few months ago, I was eating lunch and tipping a pint of ale at bar/restaurant in a municipality just outside New York City. I had never been to the place before and didn't know a sole. The bartender, I noticed, was quite popular, and conversed easily with all of the regulars. As I was eating my lunch at the bar, a black guy sat down two stools away and ordered a beer and a bowl of soup. I thought the bartender was a bit rude to him, but since I didn't know her, I assumed perhaps that she had a few rough edges and that was just part of her personality (although she had been very attentive and polite to me). After the black guy left, one of the regulars asked the bartender whether she was having a bad day because she had been "awful snippy" to that guy. She responded -- and I quote -- "I just don't like n*gg#rs. They give me the creeps."

Now before you jump all over me, I'm not saying that CB discriminates or that any of the allegations in the lawsuit are true or that the lawsuit has merit. I am saying that there are still people in this country who judge and treat people differently based upon the color of their skin (i.e., JJ and Rev. Al) Nor am suggesting that CB condones or tolerates discrimination of any kind. What I am saying is that the black people who filed the complaint may have had the misfortune of encountering an employee of CB who happened to have a bad attitude, just like the bartender that I encountered. Is that the basis for a $100 million lawsuit? Not unless you can show me that CB actually encourages, promotes, or at least tolerates discrimination within its ranks.

143 posted on 12/13/2001 12:32:08 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
Is that the basis for a $100 million lawsuit? Not unless you can show me that CB actually encourages, promotes, or at least tolerates discrimination within its ranks.

Good point. They couldn't win this one in court, that's not the purpose; the purpose of this is to pressure and smear a company with negative publicity until they can get a settlement. I would be majorly surprised if there is any racist conspiracy at CB.

Other more likely explanations:

1)In many instances the customers themselves were probably obnoxious a-holes, so they got crappy service.

2)Some of the people who served them don't hate black people in particular, they're just rude to everybody.

3)There also may have been those who have dealt with difficult black people in the past, and tend to overgeneralize. For instance--some restaraunt people will know from experience that blacks are far more likely to leave without paying, and are far more likely not to tip, and treat people accordingly.

Its not fair to do. But then groups do bear some responsibility for their own PR. A better way to fight discrimination then lawsuits would be for blacks to improve their standards of conduct, thus defeating the basis for any discrimination.

BTW As I mentioned in another post earlier I and my wife got dropped from the seating list twice at a black run restaraunt, no law suits, I just didn't come back.

149 posted on 12/13/2001 1:14:26 PM PST by liberalism=failure
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To: Labyrinthos
Is that the basis for a $100 million lawsuit? Not unless you can show me that CB actually encourages, promotes, or at least tolerates discrimination within its ranks.

Good point. They couldn't win this one in court, that's not the purpose; the purpose of this is to pressure and smear a company with negative publicity until they can get a settlement. I would be majorly surprised if there is any racist conspiracy at CB.

Other more likely explanations:

1)In many instances the customers themselves were probably obnoxious a-holes, so they got crappy service.

2)Some of the people who served them don't hate black people in particular, they're just rude to everybody.

3)There also may have been those who have dealt with difficult black people in the past, and tend to overgeneralize. For instance--some restaraunt people will know from experience that blacks are far more likely to leave without paying, and are far more likely not to tip, and treat people accordingly.

Its not fair to do. But then groups do bear some responsibility for their own PR. A better way to fight discrimination then lawsuits would be for blacks to improve their standards of conduct, thus defeating the basis for any discrimination.

BTW As I mentioned in another post earlier I and my wife got dropped from the seating list twice at a black run restaraunt, no law suits, I just didn't come back.

150 posted on 12/13/2001 1:15:58 PM PST by liberalism=failure
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To: Labyrinthos
Good read and good story.

Now my dad and I on a trip stopped at a CB in Augusta Ga. It was about 3pm well after lunch and before supper. The place was empty as we had the no smoking dining room to ourselves less one table of four.

We sat there for 20 MINUTES!!! I swear to you no server approached us. The server was busy assisting and chatting with the folks at the only other table occupied in the room. Finally I told my dad let's go and he agreed and we walked out to go across the road to the Huddle House where we were promptly attended.

No here is the catch. We are white. The server and the table she was attending while ignoring us was black.

So I ask all of you, should my dad and I join this suit in reverse? I can verify our trip on record. I cannot verify other than by our word what occured. But my dad and I would both swear to it in a court of law as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

191 posted on 12/13/2001 7:27:13 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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