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To: Cap'n Crunch
"My Holy One, my Lady, I will do what you ask of me."

There is only one "Holy One", and that is Jesus Christ the Lord! The Catholic Church's worship of Mary is shameful. Mary was esteemed as a faitful servant in Scriptures - nothing more, nothing less. To attribute supernatural powers to Mary is just plain wrong, no matter how many apparitions of her are seen. Mary doesn't even know we exist. She is enjoying the presence of God in heaven along with the rest of believers who have passed from this earth.

3 posted on 12/12/2001 7:35:58 AM PST by AsYouAre
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To: AsYouAre
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4 posted on 12/12/2001 7:37:20 AM PST by AsYouAre
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To: AsYouAre
Have you ever read anything about the appearance? Have you ever seen a book about the image of Our Lady? I think you do not fully understand, because if you did I believe you would love her also.
8 posted on 12/12/2001 7:58:39 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: AsYouAre
There is only one "Holy One", and that is Jesus Christ the Lord! The Catholic Church's worship of Mary is shameful. Mary was esteemed as a faitful servant in Scriptures - nothing more, nothing less. To attribute supernatural powers to Mary is just plain wrong, no matter how many apparitions of her are seen. Mary doesn't even know we exist. She is enjoying the presence of God in heaven along with the rest of believers who have passed from this earth.

Because of this apparition, the Aztecs converted to Christianity. Whether or not you believe it, Mary's sole purpose is to lead people to Jesus. That's exactly what happened in this case.

I lifted the following from The Word Among Us. Please read it ...

What were the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria? If you answered that they were the three ships on which Christopher Columbus and his crew sailed to the Americas in 1492, you win ten celestial points! Now, the bonus question: What do the names of the ships mean? The answer is "the girl" (Nina), "paints" (Pinta), "Holy Mary" (Santa Maria). And this is the story of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

In 1519, Hernando Cortes conquered Mexico, ending the Aztecs' empire. A proud and cultured people, the Aztecs resented their Spanish conquerors and were resistant to the Christianity they brought with them. On December 12, 1531, an Indian named Juan Diego told the archbishop of Mexico City that he had seen the Virgin Mary on a hill outside of town. The archbishop asked for a sign, and Juan Diego returned with a cloak full of beautiful roses given him by the mysterious lady--an impossibility in December! On the inside of his cloak was a beautiful image of the lady. The "girl" who appeared to Juan Diego had "painted" herself, and she was "Holy Mary." To this day, the physical properties of this image remain scientifically inexplicable.

As news of this event spread, thousands of Indians came to believe in Jesus and accepted baptism. Likewise, there was a renewal of faith among thousands of the already baptized Spaniards.

The message of the miraculous image in Juan Diego's cloak is that God is alive and cares about each and every one of his people. Just as God used this extraordinary means to reach the people of the Amer-icas, he is equally eager to deliver all of us from sin, to heal our broken hearts, to reconcile the estranged. He is so eager that he is even willing to bend the rules of nature at times to get our attention!

God doesn't just want unbelievers to believe in him; he wants those who do believe to know him more deeply. That's why he keeps sending us his word to remind us that he is with us. Every day he encourages us to keep fighting the fight of faith. He assures us that he loves us with an unchangeable love.

22 posted on 12/12/2001 8:13:55 AM PST by al_c
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To: AsYouAre
There are many interesting facts about the image. As the protestant revolt was going on in Europe and millions were leaving the faith, Our Lady appeared in Mexico and millions came into the Church. And, human sacrifice ended.

When Columbus sailed to the Americas his ships were (of course) the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria. I understand it means "the girl, Holy Mary, paints herself." And that is exactly what Our Lady did, she left us a painting of herself.

When the Indians were celebrating the miracluous image, one shot an arrow into the sky which killed another. The tilma was placed over the dead man and he was restored to life.

The images in the eyes of Our Lady have been studied for years. When eye doctors look into the eyes they say it is exactly like looking into a human eye. There are images of those people who were present when Juan Diego opened the tilma, including Bishop Zumarraga and Juan Diego, in the eyes on the image.

It is quite something to see.

The name Guadalupe, had a meaning for both the natives and the Spanish. To the natives it meant (Quatzalupe) "she who crushes the head of the serpent." The serpent god Quetzlcoatl. To the Spanish it was the name of a river in Spain, I believe it translates into 'river of light'. But a statue of Our Lady holding an infant Jesus was found buried in the mud of the river. So both cultures had a meaning.

26 posted on 12/12/2001 8:21:15 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: AsYouAre
We do not worship Mary. Get your facts straight before you start bashing something you obviously know nothing about!
31 posted on 12/12/2001 8:27:13 AM PST by sean327
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To: AsYouAre
How many shrines were built to Elijah, Moses, Samuel or others were in bible history? I believe the answer is none. Thou shalt have no other Gods before me, is one of the commandments. There is a plethora of shrines in the Middle East, of ancient age too, they are to the Prophet Muhammad, and of course he told his followers that he was just a path to the true God, and not Allah himself, it has worked out just fine. There are lots of believers, and they are helping make the world so much more peaceful.

The point is, Mary was a woman, she was not a God, she was the mother of other children, she was not a perpetual virgin, and she is not to be worshipped.

211 posted on 12/13/2001 7:27:38 AM PST by jeremiah
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To: AsYouAre
I am a Roman Catholic and we Roman Catholics do not worship Our Blessed Virgin Mary. That beautiful humble servant of God who gave birth to Jesus, the God-Man, is one whom we love with the deepest affection. You can rant and rave and tear apart but the likes of you cannot separate Roman Catholics from the love we have for our wonderful, beautiful, sinless Virgin Mary. "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed in the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen."
234 posted on 12/13/2001 10:55:47 AM PST by Renatus
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