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Johnny Walker Suleyman Abdlu Lindh
Drudge Report ^ | November 11, 2001 | Deb Weiss

Posted on 12/11/2001 6:02:51 AM PST by sweetliberty

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I thought this was an interesting take, although I'm not inclined to sympathy for this character. Why is it that we are so quick to try and justify behavior that is so clearly unjustifiable. I think this article magnifies that American tendency. In many cases I think it is highly appropriate to give the the benefit of the doubt and to risk erring on the side of caution. In others, however, we seem incapable of accepting the obvious.

The author seems to magnify this mentality by saying that it is unlikely that this young man will pay any real price for turning on his country. I sincerely hope she is wrong and that an example will be made of him. The way many of these liberals want to handle this guy with kid gloves is a pretty clear indicator that most have never been exposed to war and are completely incapable of comprehending the seriousness of matters pertaining to it. I would suggest that the way we handle this one pseudo-idealistic punk could set the tone for the rest of the war and determine if it is indeed a war or just another soapbox for liberal-speak.

1 posted on 12/11/2001 6:02:51 AM PST by sweetliberty
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To: sweetliberty
I agree with your take more than the author's.

One of the reasons teenagers are so damned unpleasant to be around is that they're busy figuring out how much of what they've been taught is true. A surprising number of them stumble out the other end having made pretty good choices, often in spite of appalling parents and schools.

By twenty, you are usually pretty much the person you're going to be (if a bit green and unfinished), and all of those choices are yours.

In fact, I'd put twenty as the age beyond which no-one is permitted to blame their parents for anything.

2 posted on 12/11/2001 6:14:12 AM PST by Ratatoskr
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To: sweetliberty
Word from DC is that he'll be tried for treason -
after the gov. gets all the intel they can out of him.

I feel little pity for him; he is quite literate and knows what the Taliban did is totally against Islam.

Death to the perverters.

3 posted on 12/11/2001 6:21:05 AM PST by japaneseghost
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"Word from DC is that he'll be tried for treason"

But if he has indeed renounced his citizenship, how can he be tried for treason. Isn't that a crime that can only be charged against an American citizen? And even if there had been no active renunciation, or if, as the liberal mouthpieces wold have us believe, he didn't know what he was doing, isn't the very act of taking up arms in the military of another power against the United States grounds for revokation of citizenship?

For people who seem to be so persnickety as regards the rule of law there sure seems to be a lot of ambiguity in this case.

4 posted on 12/11/2001 6:37:34 AM PST by sweetliberty
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To: japaneseghost; zip
I keep looking, but so far I've found little reason to pity him at all. I agree with Weiss that he's had deplorable role models in life, and little or no structure. But that was also said about Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, and several serial murderers I could list. These things might help (in some small way) to explain why he turned out as he did, but they should not be excuses that permit him to walk away from this with a wrist-slap. Instead, they should be cautionary warnings to parents everywhere: raising your kids with no rules and no structure can result in kids like this one.

We can't let him walk away from this. He's committed the worst of crimes against his country. He must be tried--preferably in a military tribunal (after they've stripped him of citizenship--which they can do, after he's fought with a foreign army against his own country)--and he must suffer the full consequences of his crime. Our Constitution requires it. Justice demands it.

I know it won't be long before the Johnny Jihad apologists show up on the thread to tell us we're acting like a lynch mob, but in truth, this is no lynch mob. We are citizens demanding justice through the courts. Only Constitutional justice will do, not the treacly platitudes of the Left about feelings and "finding himself." (Newsflash: he's been found--in the company of our enemy, and armed to the teeth.)

Deb Weiss is a pearl among columnists, but in this one, I pray she is wrong.

5 posted on 12/11/2001 6:41:15 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: sweetliberty
Too bad the kid didn't become a Communist instead of a Taliban. Then he would have been Johnny Walker Red. Of course, judging from that picture of him in the fortress, he could be Johnny Walker Black. On the rocks, please.
6 posted on 12/11/2001 6:46:09 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: sweetliberty
This is a decent article, but Shelby Steele's article in the WSJ yesterday was far better.
7 posted on 12/11/2001 6:52:06 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: sweetliberty
The feds can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.
I'm sure they'll find a way to prove he left the country with the intention to commit treason.
8 posted on 12/11/2001 6:57:15 AM PST by japaneseghost
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To: golitely
Another "polarizing moment" in our history.
On the left we have the apologists for the "poor misguided child" who want to keep the "lynch mobs with their blood lust" from saying anything bad about their hero and on the right we have Americans who want justice, meaning use of our court systems and its safeguards to determine the appropriate guilt or innocence, then, if guilty, the appropriate sentence.

Justice must be served.

9 posted on 12/11/2001 7:01:48 AM PST by zip
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To: sweetliberty
isn't the very act of taking up arms in the military of another power against the United States grounds for revokation of citizenship?

I believe that is about as clear a rejection of US citizenship as can be. Even when filling out the yellow form to buy a firearm, you must answer questions whether you have renounced your US citizenship or plotted to overthrow the US government. This guy is no longer an American. I think a fitting punishment would be to simply declare him persona nongrata, deport him back to the Islamic paradise of his choice and deny him any future entry to the US.

10 posted on 12/11/2001 7:32:22 AM PST by Sender
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"But if he has indeed renounced his citizenship, how can he be tried for treason. Isn't that a crime that can only be charged against an American citizen? "

How about we let him decide? If he still wants to be an American citizen then we try him for treason in a civil court. If not then we try him for murder and conspiracy in a military tribunal. Or just give him back to the Northern Alliance and let them deal with him.

11 posted on 12/11/2001 7:36:56 AM PST by monday
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
New drink: The Taliban-- 1/2 Johnny Walker and 1/2 Koran.

I understand you get bombed pretty quick.

12 posted on 12/11/2001 7:37:01 AM PST by freebilly
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To: sweetliberty
I think Tokyo Rose was tried and executed for treason, as were others. I can't imagine that Rose broadcast from Tokyo and maintained her citizenship. How does one renounce citizenship anyway?
13 posted on 12/11/2001 7:40:51 AM PST by JeanLM
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ROTFL! How about mixing up an Iced Al Queda?

1 part Johnnie Walker Black
1 part UbL
1 part Mullah Omar
1000 parts Taliban
Mix in cave, chilled.
Add 15,000 pounds high explosive slurry just before serving.
Serves approximately 5,000 (justice for WTC)

14 posted on 12/11/2001 7:52:34 AM PST by Sender
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Tokyo Rose's real name was Iva Ikulko Toguri D'Aquino. The following is taken from biography.com:

Traitoress; born in California. Of Japanese descent, she went to Japan in 1941 to visit her sick aunt. Caught there by the outbreak of World War II, she became one of the voices on Tokyo Radio known to American soldiers as "Tokyo Rose." She was convicted of treason (1949) and spent six years in prison. She was pardoned in 1977 and worked in a Chicago gift shop.

She was born in 1917 and may be still living.

15 posted on 12/11/2001 7:55:16 AM PST by freebilly
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To: freebilly
Oops. She was born 1916.
16 posted on 12/11/2001 7:57:19 AM PST by freebilly
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To: Sender
Best served with Eggs Benedict (Arnold).
17 posted on 12/11/2001 7:59:40 AM PST by freebilly
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To: sweetliberty
As for me, I do regard the boy as a traitor -- and also a fool, and also a wasted life. Much as I despise him, though, I reserve my greatest anger for those who taught him everything about freedom save how to use it. Theirs was the real betrayal, and they will continue to give aid and comfort to our enemies long after Mr. Walker has disappeared into St. Elizabeth's, or some such posh sanctuary.

I agree with the author. I am not adverse to seeing Walker punished, but is death, as so many suggested here, really the appropriate penalty? I think we need to know more about what Walker was doing in Afghanistan before making that decision.

And one more thing. As much as I disapprove of his parents' way of life, I will not criticize them for doing everything possible to save their son.

18 posted on 12/11/2001 8:05:46 AM PST by independentmind
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To: sweetliberty
And even if there had been no active renunciation, or if, as the liberal mouthpieces wold have us believe, he didn't know what he was doing, isn't the very act of taking up arms in the military of another power against the United States grounds for revokation of citizenship?

I have seen many here make this claim. I wonder if anyone has any historicial examples to back this up. IIRC, weren't there many American volunteers in the RAF prior to the point at which the U.S. officially joined WWII?

It should also be remembered that Walker joined the Taliban before any hostilities with the U.S. Members of Bush's administration actually sponsored a meeting with the leaders of the Taliban in Washington, so it cannot be claimed that they were always perceived as an enemy of the U.S.

19 posted on 12/11/2001 8:10:44 AM PST by independentmind
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It should also be remembered that Walker joined the Taliban before any hostilities with the U.S. Members of Bush's administration actually sponsored a meeting with the leaders of the Taliban in Washington, so it cannot be claimed that they were always perceived as an enemy of the U.S.

He was found with an AK-47. He was present when the uprising occured that took the life of Michael Spann. He knew that Americans were engaged in hostilities against the Taliban (where did he think the Daisy Cutters and AC130 gunships were coming from?).

He knew the Taliban had engaged the United States in battle and he continued to remain and fight.

Your arguments don't wash.

Now philosophically you may be opposed to the death penalty. So be it. Personally, I believe traitors should be shot.

20 posted on 12/11/2001 8:20:59 AM PST by freebilly
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