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To: DugwayDuke
Just " looney " is fine, for the tinfoil hatters here. LOL

Do we REALLY want to claim them as our own ?

102 posted on 12/15/2001 2:40:43 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
There is a distinct difference dividing the "loonies" into a left and a right. We can usually agree economically with the looney right, after all they share a deep desire to protect individual liberties, lower taxes, reduce the size of government, and other good things. While I disagree vehemently over Israel and the middle-east, they really are members of the right.
103 posted on 12/15/2001 3:49:45 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: nopardons
Do we REALLY want to claim them as our own ?

Black Jade tells me I "can't have it both ways". The war can't be both about terrorism and about "petroleum". But it sure as hell can be, in due proportion, about the fact that, after spending American lives and treasure defeating terrorism in a region, we are going to do anything and everything we reasonably can to leave that region less dysfunctional -- politically, economically and socially -- than it was before. Sure we will have failures, but in many cases our influence and our efforts will be able to achieve significant improvements. In central Asia we already have materially improved the prospects of the Afghan people, and there is every reason for us to continue acting in the rational hope that these gains can be consolidated and preserved.

The "loonies" injecting their populist venom into this thread are, more to the point, CYNICS who suggest that we shouldn't even try, or that all our attempts are, de facto, illegitimate. Fortunately they are irrelevant. America is recovering some of its old confidence. We really are better than "them". We truly have discovered, and realized in the development of Western culture, a core set of principles concerning the way that humans should live, how they can best govern themselves, and how they can best provide for their sustenance. By doing what we reasonably can to inseminate, inculcate or encourage these principals elsewhere in the world, and helping to provide the economic conditions under which they can germinate and grow, we really can make the world a better place. This is the course Reagan set us on 20 years ago. Despite the fitful nature of the progress, it IS working. We are making a difference, and should certainly not back off now. Let the cynics stew.

104 posted on 12/15/2001 3:59:48 AM PST by Stultis
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