Posted on 12/09/2001 7:08:54 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER
GUN-SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY
GUN-SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY
GUN-SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY
CONTACT YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN AND TELL THEM SO!
Re: S. 890, The McCain-Lieberman Bill: "Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001."
by Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
Mass media publicity on the newly proposed gun-show bill is grossly inaccurate.
The bill has almost nothing to do with what you've probably heard so far. The so-called "gun-show loophole" headlines are a minor detail and basically obscure what the bill really does.
I've just finished studying the eight pages of legalese. Here is it what it calls for:
1. Unprecedented federal control over gun shows nationwide -- perfectly legal gun shows become strictly outlawed without prior federal approval, licensing and registration of each show;
2. Centralized federal licensing and registration of every gun-show promoter in the nation;
3. Centralized federal registration of every vendor -- including non-gun vendors -- at any gun show in the country. In order for me to sell my BOOKS at a gun show I'll have to pre-register and prove who I am, or face arrest; a private individual looking to sell a single gun would be treated as a vendor under this law and must be registered even if the gun isn't sold;
4. Centralized federal registration of EVERY PERSON who attends a gun show in America, whether or not they make purchases of anything at all -- you won't be allowed in without registering; 5. Centralized collection of "any other information" on gun-show attendees, as determined solely by the Secretary of the Treasury;
6. Imprisonment for attending a gun show and failing to give up any information required by regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury;
7. Imprisonment of any gun-show promoter who fails to register a single vendor;
8. Imprisonment of gun-show promoters who cannot prove they notified every person attending a gun show of the new rules, and obtained from attendees any information the Secretary of the Treasury mandates by regulation;
9. Centralized collection of "any other information" the Secretary of the Treasury decides, by regulation, is necessary on vendors, attendees, and the gun show itself;
10. Submission by gun-show promoters of vendor registration logs a) 30 days before any gun show, and b) additional submission of updated vendor registration logs 72 hours before any gun show, and c) additional submission of vendor registration logs within five days of the close of any gun show, under penalty of arrest and imprisonment for non-compliance;
11. Identification of vendors only by use of federally approved photo ID that may include use of a social security number, electronically encoded data, or "biometric identifiers" such as fingerprint, voice print, retina scan, iris scan, or similar (as defined under 18 USC 1028(d)(2));
12. Creation of a new license (in addition to a gun-show-promoter license), similar to FFLs, for individuals who want access to the NICS national background check system for facilitating gun-show sales for private citizens;
13. Regulations to be issued by the Secretary of the Treasury on the procedures, data collections, methods and implementation of the entire process to federally control gun shows, in addition to the requirements made by the proposed statute; such regulations will not be known, drafted or even suggested, until after the McCain-Lieberman law is enacted;
14. The proposed bill also puts pressure on state governments to make at least 95% of their law enforcement records for the past 30 years openly available to the federal government; and
-- makes unlimited funds available for the states to comply with these federal goals;
-- requires annual federal review of states' compliance;
-- increases penalties (up to ten years imprisonment) for record-keeping violations;
-- grants states permission to make even more restrictive requirements without being out of compliance with these new federal laws (and by implication, puts states that resist these rules in federal trouble);
-- provides hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for more law enforcement under numerous programs including project Exile and others;
-- hires 200 more Federal BATF Agents;
-- provides $10 million to the National Institute for Justice to give out for research on "technologies that limit the use of a gun to the owner"; and
-- provides for annual reports (in great detail) by the Attorney General to Congress on whether the Brady law is working;
15. Enlargement of the federal bureaucracy and appropriation from taxpayers of "such funds as are necessary" to license, register and monitor an estimated ten million non-criminals who attend the thousands of gun shows held annually in America; and
16. Oh yes, I almost forgot about the so-called "loophole" part the media is so excited about -- the McCain-Lieberman bill will make an honest private citizen a criminal for transferring a gun to another honest private citizen, without first registering the transfer with, and getting permission from, the federal government (represented by the FBI at its data complex in Clarksburg, West Virginia).
Transfer or possession of a firearm to or by a criminal (a "federally prohibited possessor") is completely unaffected by the McCain-Lieberman "loophole" bill, so I guess it's accurate to characterize it as a loophole bill.
To sum up: Perfectly legal gun sales -- with no victims or criminal activity of any kind -- are outlawed at gun shows by the McCain-Lieberman bill, unless the sale is pre-registered with the federal government; real crimes are totally unaffected; and your friends in the federal government take over full control of gun shows -- which have been previously free of government infringement for more than 200 years.
Please write your local news outlet and politely request a correction.
Permission to circulate or use any or all of this report is granted, provided my credit and contact information is included.
Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
Bloomfield Press, 4718 E. Cactus #440 Phoenix, AZ 85032 602-996-4020 alan@gunlaws.com http://www.gunlaws.com "We publish the gun laws."
LOTS OF NEW MATERIAL UP AT: GUNLAWS.COM
GUN SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY
http://www.gunlaws.com/McCainLieberman.htm Mass media publicity on the proposed McCain-Lieberman Gun Show Bill is grossly inaccurate. It's really about federal registration of gun shows, vendors, and every person who attends. Detailed analysis in plain English.
http://www.gunlaws.com/evenworse.htm Could Close Gun Shows Completely If anyone at a gun show offers (not even sells, but offers) a gun to anyone else at the show -- even a gun they don't have with them -- the seller, buyer, AND gun show operator can be arrested. You don't even need a prohibited possessor (a criminal) involved. No operator will run a show with that kind of legal risk. Full plain-English descriptions, with citations.
SHOULD CONGRESS CLOSE DOWN GUN SHOWS?
http://www.gunlaws.com/McCainLieberman2.htm
The McCain-Lieberman bill practically requires gun-show closures -- but they're not mentioning it, and the media doesn't know it. Here is a Letter to the Editor, a short and sweet summary, that you can mail yourself to wake up your local reporters.
WILL BUREAUCRATS CLOSE TONTO FOREST TO THE PUBLIC?
http://www.gunlaws.com/TontoClose.htm
Federal bureaucrats running the Tonto National Forest (2.9 million acres of public land basically north of Phoenix) are talking about closing sections to public access. One of the main goals is to eliminate outdoor marksmanship.
http://www.gunlaws.com/batf prove gun laws work.htm
Stunning enforcement refutes "loophole" phobia Sting puts teeth back in dozens of forgotten critical laws The top of the Sunday paper proclaimed: "Sting Targets Gun Shows" Here's what was missing.
http://www.gunlaws.com/ShannonsLaw.htm
Is Media Reporting Accurate?
Arizona Gun Safety Forum On April 21, 2001
http://www.gunlaws.com/gun safety forum.htm
"To help dispel ignorance and bigotry about firearms, and to explore their beneficial purposes" Unite To Promote Gun Safety
THE VIRGINIA GUN OWNERS GUIDE V UPDATE4
http://www.gunlaws.com/vgogup.htm
Changes to Edition 3 that appear in Edition 4 Virginia's gun laws grew in 2000 by 6.7%, to a total of 36,486 words. All the changes and a list of the bills and statutes affected are included in the update.
http://www.gunlaws.com/the liberty poll.htm
Rewrites the book on questions for political candidates -- Try a few of these next time you're in earshot of a politician. A collaborative effort by Alan Korwin, Mike Anthony, Vin Suprynowicz.
DOES LOOPHOLE ALLOW GUN SALES WITHOUT NICS CHECK?
http://www.gunlaws.com/escapeclause.htm
"Escape Clause" Was Designed For FBI Computer Failure Federal Suspension of Bill of Rights Runs 4 Days
http://www.gunlaws.com/agog19.htm
Gun law grew by 6.7% in 1999, with the following laws: 12-714 New For 1999 Lawsuit Protection 12-820.02 Amended In 1999 Qualified Immunity Enhancement 13-1204 Amended In 1999 Aggravated Assault 13-1406 Amended In 1999 Date Rape Drugs 13-3115 Added In 1999 DPS Bullet Lab 13-3116 New For 1999 Body Armor 17-273 New For 1999 Range Protection 33-1368 Amended In 1999 Tenant Rentals A brief preview of the changes for 2000 appear at the end of the 1999
http://www.gunlaws.com/politicallycorrect.htm
View/print a PDF version
http://www.gunlaws.com/pdf/PCdGlossary.pdf
Click hereto get Adobe's Acrobat PDF reader for free.) We've all talked about how we're losing the war of words in the struggle for our liberties. People who would deny your rights have done a good job of manipulating the language so far. Without even realizing it, you're probably using terms that actually help the people who want to disarm you. Well here comes the cavalry.
http://www.gunlaws.com/tgogup.htm
The Texas legislature enacted 27 different bills in 1999 that effected the state's gun laws. I've finished the massive job of detecting and describing them, from the more than 1,500 bills that passed. An updated 4th Edition of the well known "Texas Gun Owner's Guide" contains all the changes and is being released this week (2/7/00). A free summary of the update is available on the web, click "Position Papers and Updates" at http://www.gunlaws.com. Here's the list of bills: HB 436 - Trespass on agricultural land HB 525 - U. S. Forest Service authority HB 592 - Instructor background checks HB 635 - Taking weapon from peace officer HB 668 - Street gangs HB 690 - Criminal mischief penalties HB 957 - Conditions for arming deputies HB 998 - Burglary includes assault HB 1265 - Carry on Superfund site penalty HB 1269 - Detention of armed delinquents HB 1428 - "Restrain" redefined HB 1933 - CHL mental check and fees HB 2231 - Rail-car burglary definitions HB 2825 - Antique, curio, relic and black powder arms HB 2869 - Probation conditions for kids with guns HB 3517 - Sanction levels for armed juveniles SB 24 - Repetitious assault on family SB 43 - Reporting gunshot wounds SB 50 - Protective order gun and ammo notification SB 93 - Gun-free assisted living facilities SB 131 - Hospital 51 sign exemption SB 152 - Escape by juveniles SB 370 - DPS statistics on CHL SB 404 - Peace officer CHL after retirement SB 717 - Conditions for government lawsuits against gun companies SB 1368 - Technical corrections, overhaul of Chapter 411 (CHL law) SB 1558 - Criminal trespass includes aircraft; HCR 57 - ChildrenÕs Firearm Safety Week. MEET AUTHOR ALAN KORWIN AT: The Texas State Rifle Association ANNUAL MEETING February 25 - 27, 2000 Omni Richardson Hotel Richardson, Texas For info call TSRA at: 972-889-8772 Extra hot ---- "Licensed to Carry" by Greg Jeffery
A 30-State Shall Issue Carry-License Guide
http://www.gunlaws.com/books2.htm
If you want to know what it takes to get licensed in all 30 "shall issue" states, get this book. Author Greg Jeffery produced this incredibly detailed report to compare Missouri's proposed carry law (remember "Proposition B" last year?) to all the other states. In the process he learned they were oddly lucky to see Prop B fail, because it would have been the most restrictive license nationally. He says they'll have a better draft bill next time around. Covers each state's requirements for eligibility, background checks, training requirements, permitted weapons, permit forms, waiting periods, reciprocity, penalty for unlicensed carry, applicant qualifications, places where carry is prohibited, who issues the license, what it costs, renewal fees and much more. See how your state stacks up. Packed with charts and graphs, it even includes stats on the number of licenses issued and revoked. The only other thing you'll need is a travel agent. This book is extra fine. For more info, or to get a copy,
http://www.gunlaws.com/books.htm
http://www.gunlaws.com/vgogup.htm
The legislature was busy in 1998 and 1999, increasing gun law 4.4% and 5.8% respectively, to a new total of 34,184 words. The new 3rd edition of "The Virginia Gun Owner's Guide" contains all the changes, and the update list is now available for anyone interested, numbered to match the prior edition of the guide. See Position Papers and Updates
http://www.gunlaws.com/updates.htm
http://www.gunlaws.com/agogup.htm
The new state reciprocity list is posted, along with some thoughts about the whole concept of having reciprocity -- instead of what you might recall we used to have -- Second Amendment rights. See Position Papers and Updates
http://www.gunlaws.com/books2.htm
We have obtained a supply of gun law guides for -- NEW JERSEY NEW MEXICO NEW YORK TENNESSEE UTAH WASHINGTON STATE to see them
Do you know of a gun-law guide for another state? Please let us know
mailto:alan@gunlaws.com too!
http://www.gunlaws.com/gloaup.htm
Federal gun law grew by 5.75% in 1998 to a total of 88,584 words (nothing changed in 1999). Most people have never heard about any of this. Now posted in plain English, ready for download. The new 3rd edition of "Gun Laws of America" contains all the statute language, and the committee report text, plus the "gists" posted here. See Position Papers and Updates
http://www.gunlaws.com/ShannonsLaw.htm
Arizona is wrestling with a classic case of a feel-good do-nothing law that tramples the rights of honest people while doing nothing to stop the crime it pretends to address. National implications here, especially if the excellent alternative proposal, a tax credit for firearms training, takes hold and passes instead. See SHANNONS LAW
http://www.gunlaws.com/ByrneGrant.htm
Contains all the details on obtaining federal grant money for training the public in marksmanship and the safe use and handling of guns. See Position Papers and Updates
http://www.gunlaws.com/BigLie.htm
What do you say to people who tell you the Second Amendment doesn't protect your rights (as it always used to)? This editorial has been widely published by newspapers and flew the email circuit; it is available for download and sets the facts straight. Show it to revisionists who would disembowel rights Americans have always had, and ask them to personally volunteer for "the citizen's gun-free pledge," instead of trying to disarm you. See Position Papers and Updates
NICS CLOSES GUN STORES MORE THAN 8 DAYS
http://www.gunlaws.com/brady8day.htm
Gun sales nationwide have been shut down for more than eight days by the FBI; they blame the computer for this abrogation of your rights. Get news about the National Instant Background Check you won't see in the papers or on TV.
THE ONLY QUESTION ABOUT GUN REGISTRATION
http://www.gunlaws.com/gunreggie.htm
The "common-sense" proposal to list America's gun owners overlooks a simple but crucial point -- how would writing down my name, or your name, help stop crime? Before enormous fortunes are spent on making national lists of innocent people, these issues must be examined. Read this compelling, researched editorial, and perhaps decide to send it to the media in your town. See Position Papers and Updates
http://www.gunlaws.com/updates.htm
This update has been brought to you by: Alan Korwin BLOOMFIELD PRESS "We publish the gun laws." 4718 E. Cactus #440 Phoenix, AZ 85032 Phone 602-996-4020 FAX 602-494-0679 Orders 1-800-707-4020
http://www.gunlaws.com/index.htm
At the risk of sounding too mercenary, people like yourself who think deeply about these subjects would likely benefit from and enjoy a copy of my book "Gun Laws of America," now in its fully revised third edition (1999). You can look at it HERE
http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm
But wait, why should I apologize? I believe in free markets, private ownership of property and capitalism!! If you're fighting for your rights and it leaves you broke, maybe you could be doing a better job somehow!! (The antis have no compunction about raising money for their cause.) ----------------------------------------------
Of all the deaths caused by crime, accident, disaster and maniacs, they hold a distant back seat to the murders and atrocities committed against people by governments. "No nation has the right to keep and bear arms unless its people have the right to keep and bear arms."
--Alan Korwin
Only the rulers should be armed. --U.N. agenda --------------------------
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it." --William Burroughs, 1992
GUNS ARE FOR SAFETY
GUNS STOP CRIME
GUNS SAVE LIVES
Good luck. You're a moron (being as you claim handguns are only for murder) so there's not much chance of you seeing this goal to fruition.
You complain that you live in an area that has too much hangun violence, and you wish it would stop. This is a laudable goal. The question is: How do you effect this end? The evidence is in! There is less crime,(of all types) if the folks may or may not be armed. If you restrict ownership, or carry rights, crime goes up. It happens EVERYWHERE it has been tried. This is a central argument and you have yet to address it.
Can you?
Or are you just here to disrupt?
Be well...
Thus turning government employees that carry guns into criminals.
I say stiffen the penalty and eliminate the handgun altogether.
Do you mean to say that government also shouldn't have any guns?
Walk around South Chicago with a sign on your back that reads " please don't rob me, I don't have a handgun."
No - I know people who have done it, and if you do a google search on the words, you get 29,400 hits. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=handgun+hunting They talk about hunting deer and boar - not people.
Please address the issue raised in post #16 - where printers are illegal and so only criminals use them to print only illegal, unpleasant things.
"Also, if a crack addict kicks down your door at 3:00am, do you really think that a .44 will protect you better than a shotgun?"
Maybe. Depends upon the situation, where I'm located in the house at the time, how many corners, narrow hallways, and pieces of furniture that I have to negotiate to drop the perp. Wielding a long gun in tight places is often a tactical disadvantage. Don't believe me? Why is it then that the military uses MP5's instead of long guns in urban assaults? Personally, I prefer a .357 for self defense. The .357 is still rated as the number one one-shot-kill round. So, the way I see it, I'm covered just fine.
This is all fine and well that you feel the need to have a shotgun in your home, but outside your home, you're helpless! Now do you really think that a perp gives a rip about whether he's is committing another felony by having an (as you suggest) illegal pistol. Think about that for a minute. Pistols are already illegal in Chicago...do you feel safer? Do you really believe that if the law was made more severe that all the bad guys are gonna run to the cop shop to turn in their illegal pistols, or stop using them? IF you actually believe this, you are not thinking clearly. You now live in a legally declared "gun free zone"...guess what...only you, the one who follows the law, are vulnerable! You currently live in the reality of the laws that you propose. Welcome to your own logic. I can see that you're not happy about it.
As Harry would say; "Do you feel lucky punk? Well, do ya?"
Well, they've tried such an approach in DC - and criminals still have handguns. And how many people with concealed carry permits commit a crime? Hardly any. Like so many gun-grabbers, you prefer to traffic in fear rather than facts. And you don't have to actually fire a handgun for it to deter a crime - studies I have seen indicate simply brandishing the weapon suffices in 97 percent of cases when a handgun is used to deter a crime - like the woman last week who simply showed the perp she had a 9mm.
Do you really BELIEVE ABC, NBC, HCI, and all the other little fascisti?????
REALLY?????!!!!!!
Go read the history of genocides, or start with the actual story of the Warsaw ghetto uprising.
The bottom line is though - Who "they" gonna send to get mine - are YOU going to volunteer?
Didn't think so - you want a "minion" to do it. Sorry, they're not good enough.
You should check out DU, it would seem to be more your type of venue - you don't have to think, all are big gubmint supporters, and they're, well, stupid, dontcha know.
prambo
I suppose, given that twisted sense of logic, everyone who has a black belt in karate should wear a sign around his or her neck so that everyone within 100 yards could identify that person as a threat. Perhaps we could ban small knives, forcing people to carry broadswords strapped to their backs. While we're at it, let's ban small stun guns. After all, aren't those tiny stun guns designed for nothing more than concealment and disabling?
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