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GUN SHOW LOOP HOLE IS A BLACK HOLE OF STUPIDITY
Gun Laws of America | 12.08.2001 | Alan Korwin

Posted on 12/09/2001 7:08:54 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER

GUN-SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY

GUN-SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY

GUN-SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY

CONTACT YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN AND TELL THEM SO!

Re: S. 890, The McCain-Lieberman Bill: "Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001."

by Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

Mass media publicity on the newly proposed gun-show bill is grossly inaccurate.

The bill has almost nothing to do with what you've probably heard so far. The so-called "gun-show loophole" headlines are a minor detail and basically obscure what the bill really does.

I've just finished studying the eight pages of legalese. Here is it what it calls for:

1. Unprecedented federal control over gun shows nationwide -- perfectly legal gun shows become strictly outlawed without prior federal approval, licensing and registration of each show;

2. Centralized federal licensing and registration of every gun-show promoter in the nation;

3. Centralized federal registration of every vendor -- including non-gun vendors -- at any gun show in the country. In order for me to sell my BOOKS at a gun show I'll have to pre-register and prove who I am, or face arrest; a private individual looking to sell a single gun would be treated as a vendor under this law and must be registered even if the gun isn't sold;

4. Centralized federal registration of EVERY PERSON who attends a gun show in America, whether or not they make purchases of anything at all -- you won't be allowed in without registering; 5. Centralized collection of "any other information" on gun-show attendees, as determined solely by the Secretary of the Treasury;

6. Imprisonment for attending a gun show and failing to give up any information required by regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury;

7. Imprisonment of any gun-show promoter who fails to register a single vendor;

8. Imprisonment of gun-show promoters who cannot prove they notified every person attending a gun show of the new rules, and obtained from attendees any information the Secretary of the Treasury mandates by regulation;

9. Centralized collection of "any other information" the Secretary of the Treasury decides, by regulation, is necessary on vendors, attendees, and the gun show itself;

10. Submission by gun-show promoters of vendor registration logs a) 30 days before any gun show, and b) additional submission of updated vendor registration logs 72 hours before any gun show, and c) additional submission of vendor registration logs within five days of the close of any gun show, under penalty of arrest and imprisonment for non-compliance;

11. Identification of vendors only by use of federally approved photo ID that may include use of a social security number, electronically encoded data, or "biometric identifiers" such as fingerprint, voice print, retina scan, iris scan, or similar (as defined under 18 USC 1028(d)(2));

12. Creation of a new license (in addition to a gun-show-promoter license), similar to FFLs, for individuals who want access to the NICS national background check system for facilitating gun-show sales for private citizens;

13. Regulations to be issued by the Secretary of the Treasury on the procedures, data collections, methods and implementation of the entire process to federally control gun shows, in addition to the requirements made by the proposed statute; such regulations will not be known, drafted or even suggested, until after the McCain-Lieberman law is enacted;

14. The proposed bill also puts pressure on state governments to make at least 95% of their law enforcement records for the past 30 years openly available to the federal government; and

-- makes unlimited funds available for the states to comply with these federal goals;

-- requires annual federal review of states' compliance;

-- increases penalties (up to ten years imprisonment) for record-keeping violations;

-- grants states permission to make even more restrictive requirements without being out of compliance with these new federal laws (and by implication, puts states that resist these rules in federal trouble);

-- provides hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for more law enforcement under numerous programs including project Exile and others;

-- hires 200 more Federal BATF Agents;

-- provides $10 million to the National Institute for Justice to give out for research on "technologies that limit the use of a gun to the owner"; and

-- provides for annual reports (in great detail) by the Attorney General to Congress on whether the Brady law is working;

15. Enlargement of the federal bureaucracy and appropriation from taxpayers of "such funds as are necessary" to license, register and monitor an estimated ten million non-criminals who attend the thousands of gun shows held annually in America; and

16. Oh yes, I almost forgot about the so-called "loophole" part the media is so excited about -- the McCain-Lieberman bill will make an honest private citizen a criminal for transferring a gun to another honest private citizen, without first registering the transfer with, and getting permission from, the federal government (represented by the FBI at its data complex in Clarksburg, West Virginia).

Transfer or possession of a firearm to or by a criminal (a "federally prohibited possessor") is completely unaffected by the McCain-Lieberman "loophole" bill, so I guess it's accurate to characterize it as a loophole bill.

To sum up: Perfectly legal gun sales -- with no victims or criminal activity of any kind -- are outlawed at gun shows by the McCain-Lieberman bill, unless the sale is pre-registered with the federal government; real crimes are totally unaffected; and your friends in the federal government take over full control of gun shows -- which have been previously free of government infringement for more than 200 years.

Please write your local news outlet and politely request a correction.

Permission to circulate or use any or all of this report is granted, provided my credit and contact information is included.

Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

Bloomfield Press, 4718 E. Cactus #440 • Phoenix, AZ 85032 • 602-996-4020 • alan@gunlaws.com • http://www.gunlaws.com • "We publish the gun laws."

LOTS OF NEW MATERIAL UP AT: GUNLAWS.COM

GUN SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY

http://www.gunlaws.com/McCainLieberman.htm Mass media publicity on the proposed McCain-Lieberman Gun Show Bill is grossly inaccurate. It's really about federal registration of gun shows, vendors, and every person who attends. Detailed analysis in plain English.

GUN SHOW BILL IS EVEN WORSE

http://www.gunlaws.com/evenworse.htm Could Close Gun Shows Completely If anyone at a gun show offers (not even sells, but offers) a gun to anyone else at the show -- even a gun they don't have with them -- the seller, buyer, AND gun show operator can be arrested. You don't even need a prohibited possessor (a criminal) involved. No operator will run a show with that kind of legal risk. Full plain-English descriptions, with citations.

SHOULD CONGRESS CLOSE DOWN GUN SHOWS?

http://www.gunlaws.com/McCainLieberman2.htm

The McCain-Lieberman bill practically requires gun-show closures -- but they're not mentioning it, and the media doesn't know it. Here is a Letter to the Editor, a short and sweet summary, that you can mail yourself to wake up your local reporters.

WILL BUREAUCRATS CLOSE TONTO FOREST TO THE PUBLIC?

http://www.gunlaws.com/TontoClose.htm

Federal bureaucrats running the Tonto National Forest (2.9 million acres of public land basically north of Phoenix) are talking about closing sections to public access. One of the main goals is to eliminate outdoor marksmanship.

BATF PROVES GUN LAWS WORK

http://www.gunlaws.com/batf prove gun laws work.htm

Stunning enforcement refutes "loophole" phobia Sting puts teeth back in dozens of forgotten critical laws The top of the Sunday paper proclaimed: "Sting Targets Gun Shows" Here's what was missing.

RANDOM GUNFIRE ON THE RISE

http://www.gunlaws.com/ShannonsLaw.htm

Is Media Reporting Accurate?

Arizona Gun Safety Forum On April 21, 2001

http://www.gunlaws.com/gun safety forum.htm

"To help dispel ignorance and bigotry about firearms, and to explore their beneficial purposes" Unite To Promote Gun Safety

THE VIRGINIA GUN OWNER’S GUIDE V UPDATE4

http://www.gunlaws.com/vgogup.htm

Changes to Edition 3 that appear in Edition 4 Virginia's gun laws grew in 2000 by 6.7%, to a total of 36,486 words. All the changes and a list of the bills and statutes affected are included in the update.

THE LIBERTY POLL

http://www.gunlaws.com/the liberty poll.htm

Rewrites the book on questions for political candidates -- Try a few of these next time you're in earshot of a politician. A collaborative effort by Alan Korwin, Mike Anthony, Vin Suprynowicz.

DOES LOOPHOLE ALLOW GUN SALES WITHOUT “NICS” CHECK?

http://www.gunlaws.com/escapeclause.htm

"Escape Clause" Was Designed For FBI Computer Failure Federal Suspension of Bill of Rights Runs 4 Days

ARIZONA

http://www.gunlaws.com/agog19.htm

Gun law grew by 6.7% in 1999, with the following laws: 12-714 New For 1999 Lawsuit Protection 12-820.02 Amended In 1999 Qualified Immunity Enhancement 13-1204 Amended In 1999 Aggravated Assault 13-1406 Amended In 1999 Date Rape Drugs 13-3115 Added In 1999 DPS Bullet Lab 13-3116 New For 1999 Body Armor 17-273 New For 1999 Range Protection 33-1368 Amended In 1999 Tenant Rentals A brief preview of the changes for 2000 appear at the end of the 1999

POLITICALLY CORRECT

http://www.gunlaws.com/politicallycorrect.htm

View/print a PDF version

http://www.gunlaws.com/pdf/PCdGlossary.pdf

Click hereto get Adobe's Acrobat PDF reader for free.) We've all talked about how we're losing the war of words in the struggle for our liberties. People who would deny your rights have done a good job of manipulating the language so far. Without even realizing it, you're probably using terms that actually help the people who want to disarm you. Well here comes the cavalry.

TEXAS

http://www.gunlaws.com/tgogup.htm

The Texas legislature enacted 27 different bills in 1999 that effected the state's gun laws. I've finished the massive job of detecting and describing them, from the more than 1,500 bills that passed. An updated 4th Edition of the well known "Texas Gun Owner's Guide" contains all the changes and is being released this week (2/7/00). A free summary of the update is available on the web, click "Position Papers and Updates" at http://www.gunlaws.com. Here's the list of bills: HB 436 - Trespass on agricultural land HB 525 - U. S. Forest Service authority HB 592 - Instructor background checks HB 635 - Taking weapon from peace officer HB 668 - Street gangs HB 690 - Criminal mischief penalties HB 957 - Conditions for arming deputies HB 998 - Burglary includes assault HB 1265 - Carry on Superfund site penalty HB 1269 - Detention of armed delinquents HB 1428 - "Restrain" redefined HB 1933 - CHL mental check and fees HB 2231 - Rail-car burglary definitions HB 2825 - Antique, curio, relic and black powder arms HB 2869 - Probation conditions for kids with guns HB 3517 - Sanction levels for armed juveniles SB 24 - Repetitious assault on family SB 43 - Reporting gunshot wounds SB 50 - Protective order gun and ammo notification SB 93 - Gun-free assisted living facilities SB 131 - Hospital 51 sign exemption SB 152 - Escape by juveniles SB 370 - DPS statistics on CHL SB 404 - Peace officer CHL after retirement SB 717 - Conditions for government lawsuits against gun companies SB 1368 - Technical corrections, overhaul of Chapter 411 (CHL law) SB 1558 - Criminal trespass includes aircraft; HCR 57 - ChildrenÕs Firearm Safety Week. MEET AUTHOR ALAN KORWIN AT: The Texas State Rifle Association ANNUAL MEETING February 25 - 27, 2000 Omni Richardson Hotel Richardson, Texas For info call TSRA at: 972-889-8772 Extra hot ---- "Licensed to Carry" by Greg Jeffery

A 30-State ‘Shall Issue’ Carry-License Guide

http://www.gunlaws.com/books2.htm

If you want to know what it takes to get licensed in all 30 "shall issue" states, get this book. Author Greg Jeffery produced this incredibly detailed report to compare Missouri's proposed carry law (remember "Proposition B" last year?) to all the other states. In the process he learned they were oddly lucky to see Prop B fail, because it would have been the most restrictive license nationally. He says they'll have a better draft bill next time around. Covers each state's requirements for eligibility, background checks, training requirements, permitted weapons, permit forms, waiting periods, reciprocity, penalty for unlicensed carry, applicant qualifications, places where carry is prohibited, who issues the license, what it costs, renewal fees and much more. See how your state stacks up. Packed with charts and graphs, it even includes stats on the number of licenses issued and revoked. The only other thing you'll need is a travel agent. This book is extra fine. For more info, or to get a copy,

take a peek at our books

http://www.gunlaws.com/books.htm

VIRGINIA

http://www.gunlaws.com/vgogup.htm

The legislature was busy in 1998 and 1999, increasing gun law 4.4% and 5.8% respectively, to a new total of 34,184 words. The new 3rd edition of "The Virginia Gun Owner's Guide" contains all the changes, and the update list is now available for anyone interested, numbered to match the prior edition of the guide. See ”Position Papers and Updates

http://www.gunlaws.com/updates.htm

ARIZONA

http://www.gunlaws.com/agogup.htm

The new state reciprocity list is posted, along with some thoughts about the whole concept of having reciprocity -- instead of what you might recall we used to have -- Second Amendment rights. See Position Papers and Updates

New State Guides Available

http://www.gunlaws.com/books2.htm

We have obtained a supply of gun law guides for -- NEW JERSEY NEW MEXICO NEW YORK TENNESSEE UTAH WASHINGTON STATE to see them

Do you know of a gun-law guide for another state? Please let us know

mailto:alan@gunlaws.com too!

FEDERAL

http://www.gunlaws.com/gloaup.htm

Federal gun law grew by 5.75% in 1998 to a total of 88,584 words (nothing changed in 1999). Most people have never heard about any of this. Now posted in plain English, ready for download. The new 3rd edition of "Gun Laws of America" contains all the statute language, and the committee report text, plus the "gists" posted here. See Position Papers and Updates

SHANNON’S LAW

http://www.gunlaws.com/ShannonsLaw.htm

Arizona is wrestling with a classic case of a feel-good do-nothing law that tramples the rights of honest people while doing nothing to stop the crime it pretends to address. National implications here, especially if the excellent alternative proposal, a tax credit for firearms training, takes hold and passes instead. See SHANNON’S LAW

THE BYRNE GRANT

http://www.gunlaws.com/ByrneGrant.htm

Contains all the details on obtaining federal grant money for training the public in marksmanship and the safe use and handling of guns. See Position Papers and Updates

THE BIG LIE

http://www.gunlaws.com/BigLie.htm

What do you say to people who tell you the Second Amendment doesn't protect your rights (as it always used to)? This editorial has been widely published by newspapers and flew the email circuit; it is available for download and sets the facts straight. Show it to revisionists who would disembowel rights Americans have always had, and ask them to personally volunteer for "the citizen's gun-free pledge," instead of trying to disarm you. See Position Papers and Updates

NICS CLOSES GUN STORES MORE THAN 8 DAYS

http://www.gunlaws.com/brady8day.htm

Gun sales nationwide have been shut down for more than eight days by the FBI; they blame the computer for this abrogation of your rights. Get news about the National Instant Background Check you won't see in the papers or on TV.

THE ONLY QUESTION ABOUT GUN REGISTRATION

http://www.gunlaws.com/gunreggie.htm

The "common-sense" proposal to list America's gun owners overlooks a simple but crucial point -- how would writing down my name, or your name, help stop crime? Before enormous fortunes are spent on making national lists of innocent people, these issues must be examined. Read this compelling, researched editorial, and perhaps decide to send it to the media in your town. See Position Papers and Updates

http://www.gunlaws.com/updates.htm

This update has been brought to you by: Alan Korwin BLOOMFIELD PRESS "We publish the gun laws." 4718 E. Cactus #440 Phoenix, AZ 85032 Phone 602-996-4020 FAX 602-494-0679 Orders 1-800-707-4020

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At the risk of sounding too mercenary, people like yourself who think deeply about these subjects would likely benefit from and enjoy a copy of my book "Gun Laws of America," now in its fully revised third edition (1999). You can look at it HERE

http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm

But wait, why should I apologize? I believe in free markets, private ownership of property and capitalism!! If you're fighting for your rights and it leaves you broke, maybe you could be doing a better job somehow!! (The antis have no compunction about raising money for their cause.) ----------------------------------------------

Of all the deaths caused by crime, accident, disaster and maniacs, they hold a distant back seat to the murders and atrocities committed against people by governments. "No nation has the right to keep and bear arms unless its people have the right to keep and bear arms."

--Alan Korwin

Only the rulers should be armed. --U.N. agenda --------------------------

"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it." --William Burroughs, 1992

GUNS ARE FOR SAFETY

GUNS STOP CRIME

GUNS SAVE LIVES


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To: spanky_mcfarland
I'd like to see handgun possession made a felony and every (non-police and non-military) handgun removed from circulation.

Good luck. You're a moron (being as you claim handguns are only for murder) so there's not much chance of you seeing this goal to fruition.

41 posted on 12/09/2001 10:53:42 PM PST by Demidog
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To: spanky_mcfarland
Spanky, You're having a good time tonight, but you only "refute" a few arguments. How about taking on the big one?

You complain that you live in an area that has too much hangun violence, and you wish it would stop. This is a laudable goal. The question is: How do you effect this end? The evidence is in! There is less crime,(of all types) if the folks may or may not be armed. If you restrict ownership, or carry rights, crime goes up. It happens EVERYWHERE it has been tried. This is a central argument and you have yet to address it.

Can you?
Or are you just here to disrupt?
Be well...

42 posted on 12/09/2001 10:55:37 PM PST by Wingy
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To: spanky_mcfarland
 I've heard the argument that if handguns were illegal, only criminals would possess them.

Thus turning government employees that carry guns into criminals.

I say stiffen the penalty and eliminate the handgun altogether.

Do you mean to say that government also shouldn't have any guns?

43 posted on 12/09/2001 10:58:30 PM PST by Zon
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To: spanky_mcfarland
Seeing as any and all common sense has left your brain, try this on for size...

Walk around South Chicago with a sign on your back that reads " please don't rob me, I don't have a handgun."

44 posted on 12/09/2001 11:12:03 PM PST by Zon
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To: Zon
Zon, I think he's given up. He's only been here two months, so forgive him for his ignorance. After he has a chance to become educated, he may mellow.
Be Well...
45 posted on 12/09/2001 11:18:29 PM PST by Wingy
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To: Wingy
I hope you're right, 'cause right now he's an accident waiting to happen.
46 posted on 12/09/2001 11:25:16 PM PST by Zon
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To: spanky_mcfarland
[Handgun hunting] is a colossal stretch...care to retract?

No - I know people who have done it, and if you do a google search on the words, you get 29,400 hits. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=handgun+hunting They talk about hunting deer and boar - not people.

Please address the issue raised in post #16 - where printers are illegal and so only criminals use them to print only illegal, unpleasant things.

47 posted on 12/10/2001 5:36:16 AM PST by coloradan
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To: spanky_mcfarland
"Handguns are designed to be concealed...that's the whole point of their existence" Really now? You sure you want to make such a claim? If your claim is true, can you cite sources from the early days of the development of the pistol to substantiate your claim? Isn't it funny that these handguns were worn outside the clothing as sidearms? Not very concealed! Please cite sources for your argument.

"Also, if a crack addict kicks down your door at 3:00am, do you really think that a .44 will protect you better than a shotgun?"
Maybe. Depends upon the situation, where I'm located in the house at the time, how many corners, narrow hallways, and pieces of furniture that I have to negotiate to drop the perp. Wielding a long gun in tight places is often a tactical disadvantage. Don't believe me? Why is it then that the military uses MP5's instead of long guns in urban assaults? Personally, I prefer a .357 for self defense. The .357 is still rated as the number one one-shot-kill round. So, the way I see it, I'm covered just fine.

This is all fine and well that you feel the need to have a shotgun in your home, but outside your home, you're helpless! Now do you really think that a perp gives a rip about whether he's is committing another felony by having an (as you suggest) illegal pistol. Think about that for a minute. Pistols are already illegal in Chicago...do you feel safer? Do you really believe that if the law was made more severe that all the bad guys are gonna run to the cop shop to turn in their illegal pistols, or stop using them? IF you actually believe this, you are not thinking clearly. You now live in a legally declared "gun free zone"...guess what...only you, the one who follows the law, are vulnerable! You currently live in the reality of the laws that you propose. Welcome to your own logic. I can see that you're not happy about it.

As Harry would say; "Do you feel lucky punk? Well, do ya?"

48 posted on 12/10/2001 7:06:45 AM PST by woollyone
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To: spanky_mcfarland
Handguns are for concealment and murder...not self defense. Think large scale here (if you can) if handguns were completely removed from circulation, armed robbery, drive by shooting, and home invasion would be a whole lot more difficult to pull off.

Also, any gun owner worth his/her salt would much rather defend the homestead with a 12 gauge than some pimp-ass handgun.

Dare a retort?


It's hard to retort to someone who doesn't have the I.Q. to figure it out but rather try to toss feeble insults. As has ALWAYS proven the case in every country guns have been outlawed in - the criminals get them and use them. The ONLY reason a gov't seeks to outlaw guns is to put the citizenship under control (i.e. slavery).

You have no interest in pursuing facts - as they are all over Free Republic. Rather you are the typical liberal - emoting and picking your fleas while muttering "Hillary cares, Hillary cares".

Retort that.
49 posted on 12/10/2001 7:09:18 AM PST by GussiedUp
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To: woollyone
Well said!!!

Below I have copied a portion of a timely email I received from a friend just this morning:

"At Virginia's U. S. Constitution ratification convention in 1788, George Mason was making a speech. In that speech he said, " (W)hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was Governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should do it NOT openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually." Mr. Mason went on to discuss the militia and their importance against that sort of mission.

Remember, that was discussed in 1788- more than 213 years ago. so they found out at least that long ago exactly how to enslave a people. And that is precisely what they have now: slaves. The people might not consider themselves as such. But semantics don't change the reality of a situation, much as Clinton tried to persuade us. Britain's own Churchill said, "Face the facts or they will stab you in the back." Guess they chose not to learn that simple lesson."
50 posted on 12/10/2001 7:14:14 AM PST by GussiedUp
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To: spanky_mcfarland
I'm for the criminalization and elimination of all handguns. If someone desires to walk the streets with a firearm, everyone within 100 yards should be able to visually identify this person as a threat.

Well, they've tried such an approach in DC - and criminals still have handguns. And how many people with concealed carry permits commit a crime? Hardly any. Like so many gun-grabbers, you prefer to traffic in fear rather than facts. And you don't have to actually fire a handgun for it to deter a crime - studies I have seen indicate simply brandishing the weapon suffices in 97 percent of cases when a handgun is used to deter a crime - like the woman last week who simply showed the perp she had a 9mm.

51 posted on 12/10/2001 7:17:29 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
It would be a lot easier to just buy guns from Mr Smith on the street.
52 posted on 12/10/2001 7:21:14 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: spanky_mcfarland
One of the most ludicrous satements I've ever read.

Do you really BELIEVE ABC, NBC, HCI, and all the other little fascisti?????

REALLY?????!!!!!!

Go read the history of genocides, or start with the actual story of the Warsaw ghetto uprising.

The bottom line is though - Who "they" gonna send to get mine - are YOU going to volunteer?

Didn't think so - you want a "minion" to do it. Sorry, they're not good enough.

You should check out DU, it would seem to be more your type of venue - you don't have to think, all are big gubmint supporters, and they're, well, stupid, dontcha know.

prambo

53 posted on 12/10/2001 7:31:41 AM PST by prambo
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
The feds sure are good at creating Black markets.
54 posted on 12/10/2001 7:32:20 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: spanky_mcfarland
I can recognize when someone is having a boring day at work and is wanting a little freeper 'fellowship'.
55 posted on 12/10/2001 10:10:10 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
BTTT
56 posted on 12/10/2001 10:13:47 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: spanky_mcfarland
Gun quotes for Hoplophobes (people with irrational fear of Guns)

"(W)hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was Governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should do it not openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually."..........I ask, who are the Militia? They consist now of the WHOLE people, except a few public officers."
George Mason, Virginia's U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself! They are the American people's Liberty Teeth and keystone under Independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurances, and tendencies PROVE that to insure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indespensable. The very atmosphere of firearms EVERYWHERE restrains evil interference -- they deserve a place of HONOR with all that's good!"
President Geo. Washington, in a speech to Congress. 7 January, 1790

"Americans (have) the right and advantage of being armed, unlike citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
James Madison

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed unless they try to take it."
Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the PEOPLE to RETAIN the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against TYRANNY in Government!"
Thos. Jefferson

"No FREE man shall EVER be barred the use of arms"
Thos. Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, T. Jefferson Papers, 334

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion......in private self defense......"
John Adams; A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the U.S.A. 471 (1788)

"The GREAT object is that EVERY man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun!"
Patrick Henry, 3 Elliot, Debates at 386

".......the PEOPLE have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms."
Patrick Henry, Elliot, Debates at 185

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..."
Richard Henry "Lighthorse" Lee, Second Continental Congress (he introduced resolution declaring American Independence.)

"A Militia, when PROPERLY formed, are in fact the PEOPLE themselves, and include ALL men capable of bearing arms."
Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169

Even Jesus let it be known that arming one's self is necessary, though He did not preach spreading the Gospel via violence. Even when He told Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane to put down his sword (after Peter chopped a dude's ear off), Christ did not tell Peter to LOSE his weapon. He told him to put it in its place (sheath).

"........he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace."
Jesus Christ, Luke 22:36 and Luke 11:21, respectively.
58 posted on 12/10/2001 11:31:35 AM PST by GussiedUp
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To: spanky_mcfarland
An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface.

Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.

64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians...

You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer.

Assault is a behavior, not a device.

Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.

If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.

Only government that is afraid of its citizens try to control them.

You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control.
59 posted on 12/10/2001 11:41:23 AM PST by GussiedUp
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To: spanky_mcfarland
"...everyone within 100 yards should be able to visually identify this person as a threat."

I suppose, given that twisted sense of logic, everyone who has a black belt in karate should wear a sign around his or her neck so that everyone within 100 yards could identify that person as a threat. Perhaps we could ban small knives, forcing people to carry broadswords strapped to their backs. While we're at it, let's ban small stun guns. After all, aren't those tiny stun guns designed for nothing more than concealment and disabling?

60 posted on 12/10/2001 12:38:12 PM PST by sheltonmac
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