Posted on 12/09/2001 7:08:54 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER
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Bill
Merry Christmas, and God Bless!
I live in the Chicago suburbs and find it hard to believe that handguns are good for anything other than murder. I've heard the argument that if handguns were illegal, only criminals would possess them. I say stiffen the penalty and eliminate the handgun altogether. When was the last time that you hear of the Crips or Gaylords doing a drive-by with a rifle?
Flame away!
Also, any gun owner worth his/her salt would much rather defend the homestead with a 12 gauge than some pimp-ass handgun.
Dare a retort?
By taking away the legal ability to use handguns, you merely ensure that the small, weak, and infirm, will be defenseless against stronger or multiple attackers. If that's your utopia - why don't you go to one of the fine places where guns are illegal?
When you have second thoughts, you might try going to Vermont, where you don't even need a permit to carry concealed handguns. Question: Where's the gun crime higher? In your neighborhood where it's already illegal to carry handguns, or in VT where anyone may?
If handguns are for murder, why do the police carry them? Is this so they can just go kill people? If that's true, then why do they also carry shotguns and/or rifles in their car?
As stated in my earlier post...no self respecting gun owner would rather defend his/her home using a pimp-ass handgun rather than a big 'ol 12gauge.
It's an example of unnecessary escalation...police carry them in order to level the playing field. If everyone on the street is allowed to conceal carry, how would an orderly society survive with the authorities subscribing to a different set of rules.
Again, my point is that the handgun exists solely for the purpose of concealment and murder. The criminalization and TOTAL elimination of this scourge will promote a more orderly society without limiting an individuals right to protect their home with a weapon suitable for home defense (such as a shotgun).
This is why single women carry them when they walk in questionable neighborhoods? Just to kill people?
I'd like to see handgun possession made a felony and every (non-police and non-military) handgun removed from circulation.
So, you're for confiscation. Well, then. I guess you're one of those ones the "gun nuts" have been telling us about: you're one of those who really does want to take our guns away.
As stated in my earlier post...no self respecting gun owner would rather defend his/her home using a pimp-ass handgun rather than a big 'ol 12gauge.
Since when is the government supposed to be in the business of legislating away pimp-ass things?
Imagine that you lived in a place where printers were illegal. Felonies, in fact. Also imagine that the government had printing shops that produced books on all sorts of topics - essentially about anything that you could possibly want to know about. But also suppose that there were a few subjects that you couldn't learn about from government books - say, how to launder money, or make drugs or bombs, or anthrax. It would seem quite possible that the few people willing to break the law by having illegal printers would not waste their time printing books on how to water roses or truss chicken. No, it's much more likely that they'll print things you can't find elsewhere - all these horrible, illegal things that the government doesn't want you to know about.
Would you imagine that the people who live in this land would support private ownership of printers? After all, not only are they illegal in themselves - they're only used to commit crimes by printing illegal materials, as well.
You have identified yourself as a resident near Chicago. Please consider the possibility that the only uses you have ever known or heard of, for handguns, are criminal uses, employed by criminals, and that this is why you think they should be banned. If you go to some of the other 99% of the country that isn't Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, New York City or Baltimore, you would find that 99% of handguns are used self-defense for non-criminal people, and also in hunting, target shooting, collections, and so forth. Would someone in the hypothetical land above reconsider their ban on printers when they see that others, who live elsewhere, also use them for non-criminal purposes?
The gun bans in Chicago didn't work to control crime there - please do not inflict these same failed prohibitions on the rest of the country.
Vermont refutes this claim: you don't even need a permit to carry a handgun there - if you are legal to buy a firearm, you may also buy a holster, ammo, and extra mags, fit them, load the gun, tuck it under your sweater and walk past the on-duty policeman on your way out. And he won't stop you because it's legal. Please look into the crime rates there, and also the tendency of Vermonters to get in shootouts with police, before continuing with your claim above.
The criminalization and TOTAL elimination of this scourge will promote a more orderly society without limiting an individuals right to protect their home with a weapon suitable for home defense (such as a shotgun).
1. Are you familiar with the alcohol prohibition? How well did it work? Why was it discontinued? 2. How are people supposed to defend themselves when they are not at home? Are they supposed to make do with a shotgun there too? Or are they supposed to be legally disarmed and defenseless, like the passengers, in the plane that slammed into the World Trade Center, were?
If you lived in a major metro (as do I) you'd likely see daily headlines showing the type of "sport" that really goes on.
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