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Study: Church Missed Opportunity After Sept. 11 Terrorist Attack
World Reformed Fellowship ^ | 12/8/01 | Barna Research Group

Posted on 12/08/2001 6:06:40 AM PST by RnMomof7

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Looks like things are "back to normal" Lets move on now..
1 posted on 12/08/2001 6:06:40 AM PST by RnMomof7
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2 posted on 12/08/2001 6:09:23 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I'm disappointed only 32 percent of born again Christians think there are absolute truths.
3 posted on 12/08/2001 6:15:20 AM PST by Angel
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If that is the case then how are they "Born again Christians"?
4 posted on 12/08/2001 6:17:41 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Angel; RnMomof7
Maybe only 32% of "born again Christians" are really born again!

What was that about "Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father"?

5 posted on 12/08/2001 6:21:33 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: RnMomof7
I guess the good news is that atheist church attendance has increased from 3% to 10%.

Are atheists just attending church more with their families or something? This number seems odd.
6 posted on 12/08/2001 6:26:50 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Jerry_M
I think any survey that finds that only 15% of Roman Catholics and 32% of "born-again" Christians believe in absolute truth is a useless waste of time, indicating that the people who conducted the "survey" are incompetent at what they do. (I myself am Eastern Orthodox Christian.)

I suspect that this pseudo-survey as well as the one I saw in today's newspaper that the "favorable" impression of Muslims in America has INCREASED from 54% to 68% since the 9/11 attacks are, along with other such news items, part of some wierd strategy to demoralize the overwhelmingly Christian population of the USA and assist its enemies, especially including the cult of Islam,in the eternal struggle for men's souls.

7 posted on 12/08/2001 6:29:25 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: RnMomof7
The most common sources of guidance regarding moral decisions trusted by Americans are feelings (25 percent) and the lessons and values they remember from their parents 14 percent).

The psychological brainwashing and secularization of America mind is almost complete.

Everything is relative and child are just things to be placed in a daycare at 6 weeks so mommy can be free from the chains of motherhood

Freedom will be the next victim, or is already under attack.

8 posted on 12/08/2001 6:29:45 AM PST by JZoback
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I guess I'd like to know if any FReepers are actually surprised that this national surge in church attendance turned out to be little more than a spiritual speedbump.

I'm not. This is exactly what I expected.
9 posted on 12/08/2001 6:32:56 AM PST by George W. Bush
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I'm disappointed only 32 percent of born again Christians think there are absolute truths.

Jesus said, "You must be born again." didn't He? Isn't that an absolute truth? How can someone claim to be a Born-again Christian and not believe that there are absolute truths?? I don't get it.

10 posted on 12/08/2001 6:33:17 AM PST by Walkin Man
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If that is the case then how are they "Born again Christians"?

And this is the question isn't it? Jerrys answer is correct me thinks!

Maybe only 32% of "born again Christians" are really born again!

What was that about "Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father"?

Easy believism...say the words and just move on...

11 posted on 12/08/2001 6:41:11 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
If there's ANYTHING I've learned after eight years of Clinton and Carville, it's NOT to believe everything that's postulated in polls.

I don't accept that so few Christians believe in "absolutes." From my own observations, church attendance is up markedly, even compared to last November.

It serves the interests of the secular state to pontificate that Christians are basically uneffected by 9-11, making them appear both callous and ignorant. And then the pollsters have the temerity to blame this supposed lassitude on the churches!

The only places that are "back to business as usual" are the government-managed mouthpieces, trying desperately to negate all Judeo-Christian influences...again.

12 posted on 12/08/2001 6:47:36 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
along with other such news items, part of some wierd strategy to demoralize the overwhelmingly Christian population of the USA and assist its enemies, especially including the cult of Islam,in the eternal struggle for men's souls.

What is Barna Research Group, Ltd.? Barna Research Group, Ltd. (BRG) is a full-service marketing research company located in Ventura, California. BRG has been providing information and analysis regarding cultural trends and the Christian Church since 1984.

This is not a fly by night secular group..

The truth will set us free ..not "demoralize" us!

Many are called but few are chosen!

13 posted on 12/08/2001 6:48:01 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
I don't think a strategy is necessary to do this; the churches themselves are doing a pretty good job.

In my church, after 9/11, we heard nothing except how wonderful (and peaceful) Islam is, how Americans should really look at themselves as having caused the attack, etc., etc. Judging from comments I have heard from other people and even read hear on FR, I wasn't the only one to have been failed by my church.

And, incidentally, it seems to cut across denominations - I've read and heard stories from Catholics, mainstream Prots and Evangelicals, equally.

14 posted on 12/08/2001 6:50:16 AM PST by livius
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I don't accept that so few Christians believe in "absolutes." From my own observations, church attendance is up markedly, even compared to last November.

Have you read the Potter Threads ?

Many of those that "love " it are "Christians".....no absolutes..everything is relative.....

15 posted on 12/08/2001 6:51:08 AM PST by RnMomof7
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Frank M. Newport, editor in chief of the Gallup research group, also found little indication of "great awakening or profound change in America's religious practices," according to a report in the New York Times. "It looks like people were treating this like a bereavement, a shorter-term funeral kind of thing, where they went to church or synagogue to grieve," Newport said. "But once past that, their normal churchgoing behavior passed back to where it was."

This really shouldn't come as a big surprise. Deathbed conversions usually don't mean much -- especially if death is somehow postponed.

After the initial shock of 11 September, most Americans outside of New York and Washington have realized that they were not directly affected. In fact, not much has changed. The anthrax scare had people worried for a time, but it has fizzled. The war in Afghanistan appears to be won; even if there were to be a larger war, there is no draft and therefore no reason to worry. The economy is a concern, but we have been through recessions before.

Jesus Himself warned of this attitude:

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

42 ¶ Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

16 posted on 12/08/2001 7:03:49 AM PST by Logophile
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I guess I'd like to know if any FReepers are actually surprised that this national surge in church attendance turned out to be little more than a spiritual speedbump.

I'm not. This is exactly what I expected.

I am not surprised either. I am still saddened by the it though. I was holding out the glimmer of hope that this would lead to revival/awakening that my church, and so many others, have been praying for.

However, after seeing the "inclusiveness" that was going on during the different prayer vigils/meetings I kind of knew that 9-11 was helping America finish her turn away from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Muslim prayer meeting at the White House sealed it for me.

Oh well, I'll keep praying for that revival and awakening though, because God has a history of doing great works just when the day seems darkest.

-ksen

17 posted on 12/08/2001 7:06:16 AM PST by ksen
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To: Logophile
This really shouldn't come as a big surprise. Deathbed conversions usually don't mean much -- especially if death is somehow postponed.

You are right about that..There are no atheists in foxholes..

18 posted on 12/08/2001 7:12:28 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I have been to the Potter threads and it is appalling. However I have a hard time believing what I see at some religious sites like Too Long in the Sun Some times it is hard to determine what to believe. I keep asking Father God to guide me and I try to have faith that he is (when I am unsure). I keep searching and praying and living.
19 posted on 12/08/2001 7:12:35 AM PST by Khepera
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To: RnMomof7
Are you really suprised? Too many churches have nothing more to offer than cute bumpersticker theology and weak platitudes. The Word of God is not taught in all churches.

Places where God's word is preached are thriving. "So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." (Isa. 55:11) God, in His Soverign grace, is still doing work in the hearts of men today.

20 posted on 12/08/2001 7:13:37 AM PST by jude24
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