Posted on 12/07/2001 4:48:39 PM PST by RightThinkinDood
...-- real conservatism -- that embraces separation of church and state and distances itself from the likes of Robertson, Falwell, Keyes, Bauer, is the only way a free country will survive and remain free.
I think you are speaking to those that oppose legalized baby shredding with your 'theocratic wing of conservatism' comments. I assure you I haven't been jettisoned from anything. I left the Republican party over the abortion issue. Baby shredding is evil and those who support and sanction it are evil people.
'Houston we have a problem.'
It was precisely the "morality-free" brand of conservatism that John McCain embraced, and it was a BACKLASH against the immorality of the Clinton administration that got Bush elected. Indeed, one thing that everyone EXCEPT Sullivan seems to note is that there is, at least in perception, a much higher level of "religiousity" in the U.S. post-Sept. 11. It was Bush's powerful MORAL and SPIRITUAL character that made him credible in the days after Sept. 11, not just his competence as a manager.
If there is one part of the Bush agenda that is flagging, it is the non-spiritual "leave-us-alone" elements of his proposals, especially education, energy, and further tax cuts. But I certainly don't see anything like what Sullivan recommends having a hope in hell of electing anyone in the near future.
Oh, and to (in essence) cite Schundler as an example of this is silly: here we had a vastly underfunded candidate come out of nowhere and receive NO support from ANY of the main state bigwigs, and still run a credible race. If I understand it, he somewhat ran AWAY from his moral positions, too.
That wouldn't be the "Taleban wing of the Republican Party," now would it? Sure you wouldn't be more comfortable with Julian Bond in the NAACP?
Liberaltarians have no moral compass and that is why they shune those who have one and those who try to instill one in others.
The article is total gibberish. I couldn't go on reading when it stated that Clinton was more to the right than previous Presidents. LOL! They even nicknamed him our first black President. That was meant in a derogatory manner in the sense of a inept liberal. He is the most digraced President we ever had. LIBERALtarians aren't any better than Clinton or fellow Demoncrats.
If anything since 9/11 LIBERALtarians, the godless ones are more out of step than ever. They are a lost cause. They continue to spin their wheels politically and load up on dope to justify they're going somewhere with a future. No sober minded person would come to that conclusion or be a part of the tiny, whiny group - LIBERALtarins.
You need to get people across diverse groups united towards common goals that override their own pet projects.
For example, which is the greater danger and evil? Human bombs from another country destroying thousands of fully grown humans and our free nation's infrastructure, or an abortion doctor who terminates pregnancies by killing three-month-old fetuses? Do you more fear a nation where abortion is illegal, or a nation in which women are second-class citizens and due process is a noose?
If people want to jettison themselves over an issue like abortion, so be it. But I'd wager that you have 19/20 things in common with many anti-abortionists/theocrats, and unless you truly believe that one factor overpowers the other nineteen, it makes more sense to cooperate towards making the nation a better, stronger place for the children who do make it to grow up.
If conservatives did something dumb like that, how could you tell them apart from the liberals?
If conservatives did something dumb like that, how could you tell them apart from the liberals?
The problem with the GOP isn't conservatives being in the doldrums, it's because the moderates have decided they know what's best, and have proceeded to destroy the GOP majorities in both houses. The waffling of moderates, and their "can't we all just get along" approach only ensures defeat.
Judging by your comments, you must be a moderate.
I should perhaps give this reply more effort but I don't feel like it so here goes: YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!!
You're smart!
Enter, 911.
I totally concur, this is why I am a republican, though a theocon in spirit, I realise that one has to shoot for the lesser of 2 evils in matters of politics.
Thanks, but not really. I'm just busy and choosy and somewhat trusting of others who post.
He also gives much to much import to Kristol and Kagan who are two guys with viagraons for the Bush's. They are neocons with bad neo.
The one place I do agree with Andrew is that the stimulus package is moot with energy prices at their current levels and it should be left to languish on the floor of the Senate forever. With a little luck we, the conservatives and libertarians, may one up the liberals here. We shall see.
Andrew is indulging here in wishful and wistful thinking.
He is a pretty hard headed guy, but a bit less hard headed and a bit more idealistic than moi. JMO.
Bob Barr is an anomaly and not indicative of anything.
That's for sure. He is going to lose his seat, and is now unleashed.
If all the social conservatives and pro lifers leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party gets almost as little of the vote as the Libertarian Party currently gets.
Well I don't know where you place me, but I do know that my crowd is about 15% of the electorate. That is about 7 times as much as the Libertarian vote as a guess.
He also gives much to much import to Kristol and Kagan who are two guys with viagraons for the Bush's. They are neocons with bad neo.
Maybe, although calling them "bad neo's" may be a bit too sweeping.
The one place I do agree with Andrew is that the stimulus package is moot with energy prices at their current levels and it should be left to languish on the floor of the Senate forever.
It most certainly should!
With a little luck we, the conservatives and libertarians, may one up the liberals here.
Anything is possible. The alliance is rather thin though. My crowd is the glue in general I think.
We shall see.
That's one of my favorite lines. Next you will close with "just a thought." . :)
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