Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Patrick J. Buchanan: Is a war of civilizations ahead?
Creators Syndicate ^ | Friday, December 07, 2001 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 12/06/2001 9:06:57 PM PST by ouroboros

With the ouster of the Taliban and eradication of the al-Qaida in Afghanistan, Islamic extremism has sustained a crushing defeat. But what continues to unsettle Americans is that film of Arab and Islamic people, wildly cheering the barbaric atrocities of Sept. 11.

Is a war of civilizations coming?

Clearly, not a few in the Islamic world and the West so believe, and ardently desire. And, with the War Party cawing for an attack on Iraq, with Sharon unleashed after the atrocities in Jerusalem and Haifa, with the U.S. press calling for a reappraisal of our ties to Saudi Arabia and Egypt, a clash of civilizations has moved from the possible to the probable.

President Bush, however, seems instinctively aware such a war would be a disaster. For no matter how many deaths or defeats we inflict, we cannot kill Islam as we did Nazism, fascism, Japanese militarism and Soviet Bolshevism. Islam has survived for nearly 1,600 years; it is the predominant faith in 57 countries; it is indestructible.

Astonishingly, 63 years ago, when Islam lay dormant under the heel of Western empires, a famous Catholic writer predicted Islam would rise again. Wrote Hillaire Belloc: "It has always seemed to me ... probable, that there would be a resurrection of Islam and that our sons or our grandsons would see the renewal of that tremendous struggle between the Christian culture and what has been for more than a thousand years its greatest opponent."

Islam was a Christian heresy, Belloc believed, whose strength lay in its "insistence on personal immortality, the Unity and Infinite Majesty of God, on his Justice and Mercy [and] ... its insistence on the equality of human souls in the sight of their Creator."

While The Prophet "gave to our Lord the highest reverence, and the Mother of God was ever for him the first of womankind," he rejected the Incarnation. Mohammed "taught that our Lord was the greatest of all Prophets, but still only a prophet, a man like other men." Belloc believed Islam to be a "Reformation" movement with parallels to "the Protestant Reformers – on Images, the Mass and Celibacy."

When Christians were illiterate, Islam spread "for 700 years, until it had mastered the Balkans and the Hungarian plain, and all but occupied Western Europe itself," almost destroying Christendom "through its early material and intellectual superiority."

Three heroes saved the West. In 732, at Poitiers, Charles Martel, the Hammer of the Franks, stopped Islam's invasion in France. In 1571, the Christian fleets of Don Juan of Austria, an illegitimate son of Charles V, destroyed the Mohammedan armada in an epic battle immortalized in Chesterton's "The Ballad of Lepanto." And Polish Catholic King John Sobieski stopped the Turks at Vienna "on a date that ought to be famous in history, September 11, 1683."

One of history's great questions is why the Islamic world collapsed. A century before Yorktown, Constantinople was superior in arms. But in the 18th and 19th centuries, the Islamic world was not only superseded by the West, it fell backward – in technology, industry, communications, arms and governance. The Ottoman Empire became "the sick man of Europe."

Colonization by the West followed. In the 20th century, only at Gallipoli – the 1915 battle that cost its architect, First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill, his post – can one recall an Islamic victory over a Western army.

But if a clash of civilizations is coming, how stands the balance of power? In wealth and might, the West is supreme – though wealth did not prevent the collapse of the Western empires and did not prevent the collapse of the Soviet empire. Rome was mighty, and early Christianity pathetically weak. Yet, Christianity triumphed.

If belief is decisive, Islam is militant, Christianity milquetoast. In population, Islam is exploding, the West dying. Islamic warriors are willing to suffer defeat and death, the West recoils at casualties. They are full of grievance; we, full of guilt. Where Islam prevails, it asserts a right to impose its dogma, while the West preaches equality. Islam is assertive, the West apologetic – about its crusaders, conquerors and empires.

Don't count Islam out. It is the fastest growing faith in Europe and has surpassed Catholicism worldwide. And as Christianity expires in the West and the churches empty out, the mosques are going up.

To defeat a faith, you need a faith. What is ours? Individualism, democracy, pluralism, la dolce vita? Can they overcome a fighting faith, 16 centuries old, and rising again?


Patrick J. Buchanan was twice a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination and the Reform Party’s candidate in 2000. Now a commentator and columnist, he served three presidents in the White House, was a founding panelist of three national televison shows, and is the author of six books. His current position is chairman of The American Cause. His newest book, "Death of the West," will be published in January.


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizatio; clashofcivilizations; patbuchanan
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-66 next last
To: Derville
I have trouble with viewing history in such a manichean manner; though medieval Europe had its very severe drawbacks, it's not like it was the Dark Ages, or contemporary Afghanistan. May I ask when you consider secularization to have entered into full swing? I think it only achieved significant influence in the mid-19th century, long after the West's Scientific Revolution had begun.

Copernicus and Mendel were both clerics; Descartes, Pascal, and Gallileo, though facing different levels of patronage and prosecution at the hands of church authorities, were hardly secularists. You know, of course, that medieval Islam aquired its learning from the Orthodox Christian East?

It took much time and blood before France got its balance back.If a portion of the success elsewhere in Europe (including England) was due to 'theft' of Chuch property that 'theft' was good,'the system worked.'

Alas, I'm only somewhat surprised to hear genocidal communism praised on FR. Who was it that said "you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs"? V.I. Lenin?

41 posted on 12/07/2001 2:48:43 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: ouroboros
btt
42 posted on 12/07/2001 3:05:14 PM PST by junta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #43 Removed by Moderator

To: thuleanfire
: Western man has been the most compassionate in history, and that wonderful trait is exactly what will kill him in this world. The West is just too PC to do what it takes to hold the line, while the Muslims don't just hold the line--they want to expand it.

EXACTLY

44 posted on 12/07/2001 3:21:50 PM PST by MarMema
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

Comment #45 Removed by Moderator

To: Derville
You might want to consider work as a spin doctor,you show some talent.

I'm hardly spinning, just trying to correct the view that Europe was simply an obscurantist charnel-house from the Romans until such-and-such a period after the Renaissance. Such a civilization could hardly have built the millennium-old cathedrals, or incorporated the universities of Oxford and Paris.

'Medieval' Islam preserved and studied all the works of the Greeks as well as creating their own works.Algebra came from them as I am sure you know.Of course,it wasn't 'medieval' Islam,Islam's great civilizations were concurrent with Europe's dark ages and medieval period,application of the term medieval to Islam at that time is a misnomer.

Medieval Western Europe's universities were studying the Greeks as soon as they got their hands on the texts--a long process, this being before Gutenberg. Medieval Islamic scholars, their forefathers having overrun most of the Eastern Roman Empire, simply had easier access to the source.

I hate quibbling over dated eras, since they are usually arbitrarily labled by historians with an eye for taxonomy. The beginning of the Mohammedan Era started in what, 670? The Dark Ages are generally pegged between the fall of Rome and the Carolinginan Renaissance--circa 800--or as late as 1000. Averroes and Avicenna, two of the greatest Arabic minds, were puttering around in the 11th and 12th centuries, and thus contemporary with the even the latest dating of the European middle ages.

I interpreted your declaration that the Revolution was a "balance" to atrocities perpetrated by Catholics, as somehow justifying the mass slaughter of the time. Sorry for misinterpreting you.

46 posted on 12/07/2001 4:24:35 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: junta
Individualism, democracy and pluralism are lies of the left? What country are you from? That sounds like exactly something that Taliban would say. I for one will continue to believe that all men are created equal. I will continue to believe that a man is judged by his character and nothing else. This war is being fought to preserve our culture which is a culture of freedom.
47 posted on 12/07/2001 4:56:59 PM PST by Classicaliberalconservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: mindprism.com
live in $150,000 homes

Thats a cheap house. Where do you find one like that?

48 posted on 12/07/2001 5:01:46 PM PST by Sawdring
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Classicaliberalconservative; *Clash of Civilizatio
Individualism, democracy and pluralism are lies of the left? What country are you from? That sounds like exactly something that Taliban would say. I for one will continue to believe that all men are created equal. I will continue to believe that a man is judged by his character and nothing else. This war is being fought to preserve our culture which is a culture of freedom.

Son, you are on the wrong thread. Such foolish neocon beliefs are not welcome here in the Patsie universe.

49 posted on 12/07/2001 5:06:41 PM PST by denydenydeny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Derville
"It is this kind of nonsense which has always caused me reticence when it comes to Pat,even though at times he may hit the nail on the head on issues such as immigration."

Your post was more thoughtful and contained more insights than Pat's piece.

Pat wants to sell books. Pat has an audience that is predisposed to buy his books. He knows what it is this audience wants to hear, so this is what he writes. "The Death of the West" was written for that audience and this column was written to help market it -- not to express any thoughts that might lead to other conclusions.

Pat is no longer in the original idea business. He is now in the business of "working the room".

50 posted on 12/07/2001 5:36:28 PM PST by okie01
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: RLK
The "answer" to Radical Islam is on the faces of the Afghanis freed of Taliban rule (as we have all seen on the various "News Networks.")

Radical Islam & Basic Human Nature are antithetical.

The "West" has the very nature of Humankind as its most potent ally.

"Radical Islam" is an "itch" humankind is now forced to "scratch!"

Doc

51 posted on 12/07/2001 5:43:10 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Classicaliberalconservative
Whatever you say, but egalitarianism is still a lie. Its nonsense no matter if is believed by a Leftist atheist or a Religious zealot of the Right.
52 posted on 12/07/2001 6:17:47 PM PST by junta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: junta
Define egalitarianism. If it means that wealth must be distributed equally by the government and that social engineering must be used to make society fair, then NO I am not for that. But if it means that all men are equal under the law and under the eys of God and that they all derserve the opportunity to rise as high as their abilities take them, irrespective of birth, then YES I AM FOR THAT.
53 posted on 12/07/2001 7:02:56 PM PST by Classicaliberalconservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: djr
"The main problem with Islam is it's inability to adapt to the modern world. Christianity and Judaism have."

Hmmmmmmmmmm.........While I tend to agree with your point I would like to add a further corollary:

Christianity and Judaism CREATED the modern world, and Islam can't adapt.

{For example see: "Why West is Best" by Paul Johnson; National Review; Dec 3, 2001; Vol. 53, Iss. 23; pg.18} Not to quibble, but to raise a valid point.

54 posted on 12/07/2001 7:34:51 PM PST by DoctorMichael
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Classicaliberalconservative
My dictionary says basically; equal rights for all. An illogical statement if there ever was one if I may say. We are not created equal either if you insist so it is a denial of your god because you contradict yourself with everyday observations. By the way I am neither a believer or an atheist and not much of an ideologue, and I certainly believe in no such nonsense as an Universal Proposition be it from any quarter.
55 posted on 12/07/2001 9:00:03 PM PST by junta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

Comment #56 Removed by Moderator

Comment #57 Removed by Moderator

Comment #58 Removed by Moderator

Comment #59 Removed by Moderator

To: Derville
Bump Your posts remind me I need to pick up some history to read, any recommendations?
60 posted on 12/08/2001 7:38:46 AM PST by junta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-66 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson