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'Upstate Citizens' labeled 'hate group' (for opposing Indian land grabs)
© 2001 The Syracuse Post-Standard. ^ | Wednesday, December 5, 2001 | By Glenn Coin and David L. Shaw

Posted on 12/06/2001 10:50:15 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

The largest national group of Indian governments has declared Upstate Citizens for Equality a "hate group."

The National Congress of American Indians adopted a resolution last week that says UCE, based in Verona, and two similar groups in other parts of the country want to "eliminate Indian governments, societies and culture."

UCE also has a Cayuga-Seneca chapter that opposes the Cayuga land claim. The Verona group opposes the Oneida land claim.

The resolution was sponsored by Alma Ransom, a Mohawk chief and treasurer of the Indian congress. It also labeled as hate groups the Citizens Equal Rights Alliance in Montana and United Property Owners in Washington.

"I know how it is to be treated badly," Ransom said of her reasons for sponsoring the resolution. "Every Indian nation identified with a similar situation near their reservation."

Members of UCE, which was formed in 1994, say they simply want tax laws enforced on Indian land and a settlement to the Oneida Indian land claim.

"We don't hate," said member Jim Opperman of Oneida. "Is it hateful to want the law enforced? Is it hateful to want a settlement to the land claim issues? Is it hateful to have a casino compact ratified by the state legislature?"

"This is nothing new," said Connie Tallcot of Union Springs, UCE chairwoman for the Cayuga-Seneca chapter. "The Indians make these claims to divert attention from the real issues."

"Our message is simple: No group should have special privileges and live under separate law than another group in the United States," Tallcot added. "Saying we are a hate group doesn't make it so."

Clint Halftown of Gowanda, spokesman for the Cayuga Nation, agreed with the designation of UCE as a hate group.

He said the Cayugas 64,027-acre claim to former reservation land in Cayuga and Seneca counties, has generated a dislike of the Cayugas.

"They hate the fact that we have a right, by treaty and federal court rulings, to have treaties honored, our land returned and to be a sovereign nation," he said. "They ignore that and focus on their desire to have everyone be assimilated and be part of one country."

Halftown said the comments of a Seneca County Board of Supervisors member, Richard L. Ricci of Seneca Falls, attest to the hate the Cayugas have experienced.

Ricci said at a UCE rally last year that "the Cayugas may out-money us, but they don't out-gun us."

"What is that saying when an elected official can say that and still get re-elected?" Halftown asked. "I feel they should be investigated as a hate group."

In a statement issued Tuesday by the Oneida Indian Nation, clan mother Marilyn John said: "The Oneida nation is gratified that NCAI (National Congress of American Indians) has formally recognized the truly hateful and harmful nature of so-called 'property rights' groups, such as UCE."

The statement said that UCE publishes "a list of local merchants and individuals who patronize the Sav-On gas stations and convenience stores, and targets those on the list for its members to boycott. It also encourages 'spying' on those who frequent the stores and stations."

Members of UCE have compiled boycott lists with names of people and companies UCE members have seen doing business at the nation's Sav-On gas stations. UCE's leadership says it does not encourage these lists, but they are made available at UCE meetings.

"We don't spy on people," Opperman said. "There is documentation that the Oneida Indian Nation does spy. Remember that the Oneida Indian Nation lost its deputization agreement (with Madison and Oneida counties) because (the counties) found out they had been doing spying."

Internal nation reports obtained by The Post-Standard in 1997 showed that nation police conducted a widespread spying operation on and off nation land, compiling dossiers on political opponents and their non-Indian associates.

In Tuesday's statement, the Oneida nation linked UCE to the KKK, which the nation said was active in Oneida and Verona back in the 1920s.

"I think all this name-calling is a bunch of childish nonsense," said Scott Peterman, president of UCE. "They label everybody that disagrees with them as a hate group."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Montana; US: New York; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: almaransom; cayuganation; fakehatecrimes; mohawk; montana; oneidanation; washington
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You heard it here first folks: property rights groups are now "hate groups."
1 posted on 12/06/2001 10:50:15 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Geez, where are the Custers and Chivingtons now when we need them?

Washita, Sand Creek, Wounded Knee ... a good start, but only just that.

2 posted on 12/06/2001 10:55:43 AM PST by BlueLancer
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Abolish the concept of reservations and let these folks get a real life instead of one that is handed to them on a platter.
3 posted on 12/06/2001 10:56:15 AM PST by da_toolman
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Remember A.I.M., the "American Indian Movement" of the 70s?

Some people had another name for them: "Assholes In Moccasins".

FReegards,
Darth Sidious (1/16th Cherokee :-)

4 posted on 12/06/2001 11:02:18 AM PST by Darth Sidious
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"They hate the fact that we have a right, by treaty and federal court rulings, to have treaties honored, our land returned and to be a sovereign nation," he said. "They ignore that and focus on their desire to have everyone be assimilated and be part of one country."

Give them their land, make them a sovereign nation, declare war on them for supporting terrorism, and give them the Afganistan treatment. End of problem.

Hank

5 posted on 12/06/2001 11:08:07 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Upstate Citizens for Equality a "hate group."

Of course they are. assuming of course, that they support equality, they must want broken treaties, stolen land, forced marches and relegation to reservations for white people. how cruel and hateful they must be.

6 posted on 12/06/2001 11:23:59 AM PST by gfactor
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I know another Indian hate group. The group of US citizens who welcome the Indian acquaiition of wealth at Indian casinos and expect that wealth to be used for ALL Indian brothers throughout all America. "What?? Use the money from my casino to help those worthless savages? This is dumb and hateful!"
7 posted on 12/06/2001 11:31:35 AM PST by Tacis
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Sorry, but as an individual with strong cultural and familial ties with the indians (yes, I said 'Indians') of that area, I have to side with the indians on this - for the past century, the State of New York has consistently reneged on every treaty/deal they have made... Don't even get me started on the illegal purchases of trust lands by the state (from individuals who had no legal right to sell it)- THAT is what the basis for this is. While I can understand the feelings of non-indian people of the area, I think the indians and the non-indians should join together in common purpose to get this resolved, and let the state know that the current state of affairs is unacceptable, and that the past conduct was irresponsible.

Now, regarding the 'hate group' charge. I don't agree that they are a 'hate group', however, that comment about, "They may out-money us, but they don't out-gun us" was, IMHO, the wrong thing to say. Even if it was just spoken in the heat of the moment, it was said, and it reflects very very badly on the people associated with the moron who said it.

Ah well, it's just another example of the divisive nature of politicians - to keep us all fighting amongst ourselves so we don't pay attention to other things they are doing...

8 posted on 12/06/2001 11:34:14 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Darth Sidious
Even some of us who are 100% Haudenosaunee (well, ok... 3/4 Haudenosaunee, 1/4 MicMac) think that A.I.M. was "A-holes in Mocassins", since they were (and are) a Left-wing Marxist/Socialist 'revolutionary' group...
9 posted on 12/06/2001 11:38:06 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Tacis
Umm... well, since not ALL indians are brothers, (That's like asking my MicMac grandfather to share his food with those stinking Innuits - HA!) that kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it???
10 posted on 12/06/2001 11:39:50 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I don't agree that they are a 'hate group', however, that comment about, "They may out-money us, but they don't out-gun us" was, IMHO, the wrong thing to say.

Well, we agree on a couple of things - the treatment of the Indians by the State has been shameful in many cases. And B.L.L. and I discussed the impact of the reservations a while back and didn't find much to agree on, I think.

But this "saying the wrong thing", though - there's a long history of that on both sides here. I remember a few years ago the Senecas shutting down the Western end of the Thruway with burning tires. I remember the Mohawks before that, blocking roads and manning them with some testosterone-charged, trigger-happy 20-somethings armed with AK-47's, scaring the living sh!t out of their neighbors. There's been a lot of bad blood, more than enough to go around an both sides.

11 posted on 12/06/2001 11:43:21 AM PST by general_re
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To: general_re
Oh, I know.... like I said, I can see both sides of the issue, and it's unfortunate that the non-indians of the area have gotten caught in the middle in the battle between the state and the indians - I suppose you can only push a people so far before they react in a way that might not be right... and that's fair to say for both sides of the issue...

Of course, looking at some of the truely ignorant comments on this thread ("...Where's Custer when you need him...", "...Give them the AFghanistan treatment..." etc...)... well, it makes me pretty ill...

13 posted on 12/06/2001 11:48:55 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: wasfree
Actually, based on what I have heard, it wasn't the Feds that caused this mess - it was actually the state of NY... the feds have, I believe, sided with the tribes on this, even basically told NY they are wrong, but the state doens't listen...
14 posted on 12/06/2001 11:50:34 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Yeah, that's the latest shame of it - the folks caught in the middle. The Senecas have a suit going now claiming treaty rights to all of Grand Island, and a while back one of the tribal leaders was quoted saying something along the lines of when they won, they were just gonna throw all the white folks right the hell out. That kind of rhetoric doesn't help either.

Fortunately, since then, I think they've backed off a little bit and allowed for the possibility that they might accept some other form of compensation if they won - a money settlement or land somewhere else. And I think everyone might need to just cool off here in upstate just a bit...

15 posted on 12/06/2001 12:00:29 PM PST by general_re
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To: wasfree
After 200+ years, it's a little too late to be talking about giving the Indians all their land back. I'm sure you wouldn't feel that way if the land that you paid a great deal of money for, was suddenly taken away from you, especially if it was for something that happened over 200 years ago.
16 posted on 12/06/2001 12:02:13 PM PST by Keeper of the Turf
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I HATE people, laws, regulations, or things that promote or condone thought-control agendas!
17 posted on 12/06/2001 12:02:49 PM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: wasfree
Thank God they came up with casinos to bring in a little income

Thank God I'll being going to Atlantic City this weekend rather than the Connecticut Indian casinos. I would never do business, or enrich these "special" people in any way. If they can't live under the same rules as everyone else, they should get the hell out of here.
18 posted on 12/06/2001 12:27:04 PM PST by motzman
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To: Keeper of the Turf
You have a valid point - however, since the State of New Yrk ILLEGALLY attained the land, they should be forced to compensate anyone that wuld lose property... of course, the way states are, WE pay for their mistakes, because they'd raise taxes to cover it instead of cutting useless wasteful programs... ;0)

I don't advocate forced removal of people from land they own, BTW, so don't get me wrong - I just think the State screwed up and both sides are paying for it...

19 posted on 12/06/2001 4:56:47 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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