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Ashcroft Wants National Guard on Canadian Border
http://www.foxnews.com ^ | Monday, December 03, 2001 | fox news

Posted on 12/05/2001 4:24:43 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:31:46 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ashcroft; bordersecurity; canadianborder; nationalguard
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To: BluH2o
Toadja I lived in Fla, so what would I know? Have to keep these threads from getting too boring.

PS I hope they do beef up the border patrols, because those polar bears keep taking over one town up there and I don't want them getting any closer.

101 posted on 12/05/2001 8:42:32 PM PST by crystalk
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To: onyx
Actually, I fall along the lines of a Constitutionalist and not a Libertarian thought there are many similarities. Primarily, I believe in locking down our borders and that abortion is murder(which is a non libertarian stance).

As far as original thought, you acuse me of not having original thought, but your the one spewing the party line...hmmmm...go figure....

I agree that we have a real enemy which are Islamic Militants and anyone else who tries to violate "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". And every man and woman should be well armed as they go about their day and shoot to kill anyone who is threatening those liberties (within the law), acting as the constitutional/common law militia. Everyone taking responsibility for the rights of all others instead of hiding behind big brother. We have SPECIFICALLY told our public servants what PRIVILEDGES they have and the things you are supporting are not within those confines and therefore they are acting outside those bounds and thus violating their oath of office.

Just because our servant government has screwed up over the past and not done what was neccessary to protect our borders which IS mandated by the constitution, we should now give up our liberties to these servants so they can fix the problem that they created in the first place? I don't think so, I don't care if it is Bush, Clinton, or Bugs Bunny it is absolutly a lack of critical thinking that leads to that line of thinking.
102 posted on 12/05/2001 8:47:13 PM PST by borntodiefree
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To: mxbluto
Firstly, I'm not thrilled either with ANY loss of liberty. I understand there is a mandate for "broadly based" causes and "search and seizure," but it is in theory only.

The reality IMHO? It will be with just cause, aimed at "high-probability" suspects that need to be monitored for the time being. Can't add a specific "Anti-Islamic Fanatic" law out of thin air now, can we? The duration of this "mandate's" duration is capped.

The only other way to handle the infestation of domestic US/Canada in-camp Islamic fanatics is to deport them, but it ain't gonna happen.

103 posted on 12/05/2001 8:49:01 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
And what about the SOUTHERN BORDER?! That's like having your property go up in flames and choosing to put it out starting with the dog house (no insult intended Canada).
If THIS doesn't prove they're not really serious about border problems, what will?

CLOSE THE BORDERS-If Not Now, When?

it is incumbent upon the American people to lead: Demand our borders are sealed – pronto; and that visa violators are expelled. Playtime is over.

104 posted on 12/05/2001 8:55:56 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: Joseph Warren
Wouldn't want those still approximately 83% anglo cannucks running down here en masse, now would we?

Telling.

105 posted on 12/05/2001 8:57:39 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Harley - Mississippi
It is a strange abyss that the federal government is constrained by. The actual sucking sound about the pathetic methods of border security is a function of Congress. They write the methods into law by the federal budget which straps our capability about real security other than political BS.

Write your Congresscritter.

107 posted on 12/05/2001 9:07:52 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
A few days ago, I posted this analysis of Canada's poor job on immigration. The Mexican border needs watching too but it seems obvious that for terrorists, Canada is the #1 choice for infiltrating the U.S. The Mexican border seems to be for illegals and drug runners. Canada is the choice for the militant Islamic groups.

Source: The Social Contract Quarterly

Published: Fall edition - 2001 Author: Wayne Lutton, Ph.D.

At least four of the suspects in the September 11 attack on the World Trade Center entered the United States from Canada. Suicide hijackers Mohammed Atta and Abdul Alumari crossed into Coburn Gore, Maine early that Tuesday before catching a 6 a.m. flight from Portland to Boston. From Logan Airport, they commandeered the two commercial jetliners that crashed into the World Trade Center. Other participants in the terrorist attack waltzed into the United States from locations in Canada. A third suspect appears to have entered the United States at Jackman, Maine, while others may have taken a ferry from Nova Scotia.

Organizations and individuals involved in criminal and terrorist activities have long recognized that Canada is a safe base from which to conduct operations against targets around the world. Two years ago, David Harris, former chief of strategic planning for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), the country's main intelligence agency, admitted, "The largely untold truth is that Canada and terrorism go together."

A publicly released CSIS report, Terrorism 2000/2001, confirmed that some 60 terrorists groups are active in Canada. These include Hezbollah and other Shiite Islamic terrorist organizations; a number of Sunni Islamic extremist groups, with ties to operatives in Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Lebanon, and Iran, including Hamas; the Tamil Tigers; the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK); all of the world's Sikh terrorists groups, as well as the Provisional Irish Republican Army.

In the French-speaking separatist Province of Quebec, Montreal police compare their city to a "Club Med" for Algerian extremists, who use the Quebec capital as a base to plan and finance their activities. In the Fall of 1999, police broke up an Algerian crime ring, which was using their proceeds to bankroll the Armed Islamic Group.

Canada-based terrorists have been involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the U.S. embassy bombings in Africa, assassinations in India, and the Al Khobar Towers attack in Saudi Arabia. In 1997, Gazi Abrahim Abu Mezer, a terrorist living in Canada, was intercepted just before he attempted to blow up the New York City subway system.

The case of the Algerian native charged with attempting to conduct terrorist acts in Seattle, Washington during the turn of the century Millennium celebrations is instructive, highlighting the ease with which those bent on mayhem operate in our northern neighbor.

In 1999, shortly before Christmas, U.S. Customs officials arrested 32-year old Ahmed Ressam as he tried to enter Washington State at a remote border crossing from Victoria, British Columbia. The trunk of his car was loaded with nitroglycerin and other bomb-making material. Ressam had reservations at a hotel near Seattle's Space Needle, where millennium festivities were scheduled to take place. Rassam had been declared a terrorist in his native Algeria and entered Canada in 1994 on a false French passport.

Later, after his refugee claim was denied and he was ordered deported, he simply disappeared. Ressam continued to work in Canada and associated with other extremists. Twice arrested and convicted for theft in Montreal, once again he was not deported. Using an alias, he secured a baptismal certificate and was then issued a Canadian passport, even though he had been arrested and fingerprinted. Fortunately, U.S. Customs authorities in Port Angeles, Washington, detained him on a hunch - were they guilty of "profiling"? - and discovered the cache of explosives in his auto.

Canada is attractive to terrorists for a number of reasons:

1. Its long borders and coastlines offer many points of entry, easing movement to and from various sites around the world, including the United States.

2. Canada accepts large numbers of poorly screened immigrants and "refugees." A network of immigrant communities has sprung up all across Canada, offering safe haven and other forms of support for criminals and terrorists.

3. Canada's liberal government allows terrorist groups to raise funds as charitable organizations.

4. Canada has proven to be a relatively secure base from which to arrange and direct terrorists in other countries.

Although U.S. officials have long been aware of the threat to national security and community safety posed by the lax Canadian immigration policies, little has been done to secure our side of the border. The Border Patrol generally stations 300 or fewer agents along the 3,500-mile U.S.-Canadian border. In addition to terrorists, illegal aliens and drug smugglers regularly enter the U.S. from Canada. Since Mexican nationals can enter Canada without visas, many have found it is cheaper for them to fly to Canada and walk across the Northern Border than have smugglers bring them across the U.S. Southern Border.

The majority of Canadians have not welcomed the transformation of their country into a base for criminal and terrorists. As in the United States, direction of Canada's immigration administration has been seized by a coalition of religious, ethnic, and business special interests. Under the banner of "fighting racism" and "embracing multi-culturalism and diversity," these enemies of the historic Canadian Majority are attempting to virtually outlaw opposition to current immigration policy.

While President Bush has been joined by other "world leaders" in a pledge to "fight terrorism", there is as yet no evidence that United States and Canadian officials are willing to take basic steps to actually deal with the immigration-associated issues that have played such a critical role in making our societies vulnerable to terrorist attacks. Such measures would include expelling illegal aliens and supporters of foreign terrorist groups; overhauling refugee policy; and ending Third World immigration generally.

Foreign and domestic policies should be based on what is good for the majority of citizens and the historic character of our nation and civilization. Until Majority Rule is restored in our respective countries, Americans and Canadians will be pawns in the terrorists' game.

108 posted on 12/05/2001 9:10:36 PM PST by JDGreen123
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To: JDGreen123
At least four of the suspects in the September 11 attack on the World Trade Center entered the United States from Canada

Why is the the one single source in continent that reveals this? Others, including Ashcroft who was in Ottawa last week said that NONE were. Now either Ashcroft is lying or your info source is skewed.

109 posted on 12/05/2001 9:17:28 PM PST by mxbluto
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To: F16Fighter
Thankfully security will NOT be left to you at the border -- perhaps a girlscout and Gary Coleman covering 4,000 miles is sufficient for you JUST IN CASE...

As long as you have a few left over to check out the people flying in from Spain or Germany.

And apparently you feel the MO for future terrorists will most likely be "direct flights", -- no doubt once again executed by four swarthy Middle Eastern types per plane. Who'd you have in charge of airline security -- Ray Charles himself??

Did you guys fire him yet? But seriously, we were thinking of hiring the CIA, since they're great at finding terrorists in every country but the US.

Au contrar my Canadian friend -- I do know that your government just released 12 terrorist suspects due to a "lack of space" of which to keep them detained. I know JUST enough about Canadian "security."

Yeah, I read that story that for some odd reason, didn't appear in any other news sources other than the Toronto Sun. Since you obviously went to the source of this article you must have also checked out that day's Sunshine Girl. What a babe, yes? Rednecks like semi-naked chicks with their dose of news.

111 posted on 12/05/2001 9:22:30 PM PST by Black Powder
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To: WeWinO4
Islamic Activity....what do you mean, like going to church and praying? Hey, let's build a BIG fence around our whole country, yeah that's the ticket. Only white christian folk allowed....just what the founding fathers had in mind. Ashcroft is religiously insane and is currently shredding our constitution in the name of "making us all safer" I thought we conservatives were for LESS government in our face???

Not my post, man.

112 posted on 12/05/2001 9:24:12 PM PST by Black Powder
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To: JDGreen123
ok, but the very last part I sort of agree with. I don't think that immigration is swayed by immigrants themselves though. I beleive it is swayed by those who have an interest in destroying our traditional way of life. I do think there is a reason they are ignoring this basic point of lax immigration.
113 posted on 12/05/2001 9:25:31 PM PST by mxbluto
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To: mxbluto
Absolutely! It is the multi-culturalist left and business-round-table right that is willing to sacrifice Canadians and Americans for their one-world agenda. Cultural diversity and cheap labor rule the day. If we oppose either side, we are labled racist.
115 posted on 12/05/2001 9:39:03 PM PST by JDGreen123
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To: timestax
2nd request, and I don't type just to see it. HOW DO THOSE NATIONAL GUARD PEOPLE GET FED. Are we paying for them to eat at Ruby Tuesday, or To get free (AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE) STARBUCKS COFFEE??!! iT'S MY right TO KNOW THESE KIND OF THINGS!!

Hey, no need to yell. National Guard on state duty get paid a set per diem to cover food and other necessities.

FWIW, it has been my experience, however, not to receive checks for this--which come separately from standard reserve pay until it is a day late and IMO several dollars too short to afford airport food.

117 posted on 12/05/2001 9:53:39 PM PST by Calico
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To: Calico
Hey, I was just curious. I know the ole body needs at least three square meals a day.
118 posted on 12/05/2001 10:00:57 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. I just recall times when we would wish for an MRE--now that's bad. LOL!!
119 posted on 12/05/2001 10:03:39 PM PST by Calico
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To: BluH2o
Nobody in the U.S. really gives a damn about what law abiding Canadians do or don't think about life in the U.S.. Who asked them?

We're concerned, here in the U.S., that a large number of the 19 terrorists, involved in the attacks on 9/11, entered the U.S. from Canada and that many of them and others we failed to catch roamed, freely, across our Northern border any old time it pleased them.

The Canadian authorities just let more than a dozen 'Al Queda' go, because they didn't have enough room in ther jails for them. That's just plain stupid on Canaduh's part. We need our National Guard along our Northern border to protect us from stupid, irresponsible acts by the authorities in Canaduh.

It's about time a member of this administration had the ba__s to order our military to the borders. Too bad 4,000 troops and 3 months later is too little, too late.

120 posted on 12/05/2001 10:53:14 PM PST by 4Freedom
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