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New US Terror Alert Linked to Nuke Fear
DEBKAfile ^ | 12/4/2001 | DEBKAFile

Posted on 12/04/2001 1:07:25 PM PST by Smogger

4 December: One factor in the third general terror alert raised in the United States since September 11 relates, according to US media, to intelligence information indicating that the former Saudi terrorist Osama bin Laden has gained possession of a so-called dirty or radiological bomb. The target date referred to in electronic intercepts is mid-December. It has also been suggested that such weapons may have been smuggled into the United States.

On October 12, DEBKA-Net-Weekly reported from its intelligence sources that Bin Laden had almost certainly procured a supply of uranium-235 six months before the September 11 suicide attacks. The uranium was believed to have reached him in a multimillion deal with a Ukrainian-born mobster called Semion Mogilevich.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly came back to the subject more recently on November 30, in another exclusive report: Radiation Poisoning Betrays Mule In the first week of October, a Pakistani arrested on immigration charges in the course of the FBI investigation into the September 11 suicide attacks, complained of bleeding gums and pain, symptoms of gingivitis. He was treated with antibiotics, but was found dead in his cell in Hudson Count jail in Kearny, New Jersey, three weeks later. The cause of death was not released, any more than the dead man’s identity.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s medical experts note that the bleeding gums the anonymous Pakistani was treated for are a symptom of radiation poisoning, suggesting he might have been a “mule” transporting nuclear materials or devices into America. (A subsequent investigation revealed that he had contracted gingivitis as a result of radiation-induced leukemia.)

This explanation would imply that more than one such carrier is employed by al Qaeda to smuggle nuclear materials or devices into the United States, Western Europe and the Middle East, their mission being to plant their deadly burdens in pre-arranged secret locations, ready for activation.

At roughly the same time, another Pakistani was detained at the Allenby Bridge crossing from Jordan to Israel. According to initial published reports, he was caught trying to smuggle in a “dirty” nuclear device (a conventional explosive mixed with nuclear materials that spreads radiation).

Then came the news blackout. An exhaustive DEBKA-Net-Weekly investigation revealed that the arrested intruder carried no nuclear device. However, he suffered the same symptoms as the man who died in Hudson Jail, New Jersey, indicating he had been exposed to dangerous doses of radiation. DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s intelligence sources reveal that Israel has recently installed hidden Geiger counters in the battery of detectors at its international border crossings. The counter pointed border officials to the suspected “mule”, who most probably reached Jordan from Abu Dhabi.

Israel handed him over to the United States, but was left asking itself: What exactly was the Pakistani’s mission? And have other members of the mule pack managed to gain entry?


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As always you should take these DEBKAfiles reports with a grain of salt. However, they have scooped major media outlets in the past and recently they were named Forbes magazine's Best of the Web. If your are going to dispute the content of the article then fine. But if you are just going to complain about the source than get a life. Go back to reading Time or Newsweek.com.
1 posted on 12/04/2001 1:07:25 PM PST by Smogger
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To: Smogger
Hudson Count jail in Kearny, New Jersey

A friend of mine pointed out: New Jersey? Again? Is there a large Islamic population in NJ or what?

2 posted on 12/04/2001 1:11:21 PM PST by Smogger
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I can't understand why intelligent people can't weigh internet info for what it's worrth, and instead feel the need to denigrate, defame, and dismiss out of hand.
3 posted on 12/04/2001 1:13:35 PM PST by copycat
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To: Smogger
For the reord Tom Ridge already denied this. And it is already posted on FR.
4 posted on 12/04/2001 1:14:15 PM PST by Mixer
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To: Smogger; Alamo-Girl
I enjoy Debka.file. Really! It's my version of science fiction, which I don't follow.

They simply come up with some incredible hypotheses..... just amazing, LOL! Good for OUTSIDE THE BOX thinking.

5 posted on 12/04/2001 1:14:19 PM PST by meridia
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As always you should take these DEBKAfiles reports with a grain of salt. However, they have scooped major media outlets in the past and recently they were named Forbes magazine's Best of the Web. If your are going to dispute the content of the article then fine. But if you are just going to complain about the source than get a life. Go back to reading Time or Newsweek.com.

Bite me. Debka has rarely scooped anything but poop. And bleeding gums prove little - it's unbelieveable that Debka would claim that bleeding gums equals nuclear mule. Heck, my gums bleed if I'm too lazy to floss. Guess I'm a nuclear mule as well...

6 posted on 12/04/2001 1:14:47 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Smogger

"take these DEBKAfiles reports with a grain of salt"

BTW: Ridge denied the "dirty bomb" had anything to do with the alert.

7 posted on 12/04/2001 1:16:24 PM PST by mrsmith
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(A subsequent investigation revealed that he had contracted gingivitis as a result of radiation-induced leukemia.)

Oh, now here is the backup to the bleeding gum claim - no backup at all IMO - where did Debka get THIS information? They didn't even bother with the unnamed high-placed source schtick...

8 posted on 12/04/2001 1:16:36 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Smogger
Debka File? Isn't that related to the Circular File?
10 posted on 12/04/2001 1:19:09 PM PST by ahariail
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I'm sure that there are people who doubt this source, however on another thread where they reported the IDF starting a major offensive against the PA, I noted that there might be some merit to this. For instance, we have been claiming that Iraq is our next target of action in this terror war, however pundits line up suggesting that we do not have enough evidence to link them. Should the Israeli's attack the PA, Hamas and the Islamic Jihad (which we have identified as terroristic organizations) Iraq has publically stated that they would attack Israel in response. We would, therefore, have every right to attack Iraq (in the pundits opinions). My premise is that this is a calculated plan between Israel and President Bush. In this, our objectives are met and several terror groups get wacked. Just my musings.
11 posted on 12/04/2001 1:19:57 PM PST by TheBlueMax
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For the reord Tom Ridge already denied this. And it is already posted on FR Really? Where is it posted?

Of course Tom Ridge denying it means NOTHING.

What's he gonna say? "Oh! Yeah! Sure we think OBL has snuck a dirty bomb into NY somewhere! Nah! Were not sure where but we are looking real hard."

Please.

12 posted on 12/04/2001 1:20:11 PM PST by Smogger
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If this story is true (a big IF), it indicates a dirty bomb, not a nuke.
Weapons grade material isn't that dangerous unless the quanity > critical mass.
If they had a criticality incident, the "Blue Flash" would have killed anyone within 30ft within days.
13 posted on 12/04/2001 1:22:44 PM PST by Zathras
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Might I point out that if radiation killed one of the "mules", it might kill anyone who got near the device for long, including those entrusted to set it off. Not to mention it would be "visible" to radiation monitors from a great distance. If anyone's looking.
15 posted on 12/04/2001 1:25:52 PM PST by js1138
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If Ridge denied it, then it's obviously untrue.

Reminder: it's almost impossible to know what to trust, what not to trust, and who to believe in this world of manipulation, agendas... and PR. NY Times vs. NY Post. Newsmax vs. The Miami Herald. National Post. Debka? Who the hell knows.
BR>
16 posted on 12/04/2001 1:26:02 PM PST by Stevieboy
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As always you should take these DEBKAfiles reports with a grain of salt. However, they have scooped major media outlets in the past and recently they were named Forbes magazine's Best of the Web. If your are going to dispute the content of the article then fine. But if you are just going to complain about the source than get a life. Go back to reading Time or Newsweek.com.

I'm kinda with you on Debka, it seems they have a handle on the terrorist side of things. They nailed the latest round in Israel with their "Red Alert" story last week.

Their are just too many folks, including ABC News Radio and CNN that keep talking about this story. Not constantly but every now and then they'll do a 5 minute piece and it looks credible, not as if they are interviewing Art Bell.

Most of the nay sayers will holler if he had it he'd a used it. My belief is he was trying hard to find this stuff but like any good soldier was planning many contigencies just incase. 9/11 was reportedly 5 years in the making. It was just the first, they have more plans that will happen with or without Osama. The agents may well already be here, waiting on his death to strike, Christmas, New Years or National Potato Week for all we know.

Maybe the nuke plan didn't fall into place until after Osmam dispatched Atta and his gang and thats why it will occur now instead of before or inplace of 9/11.

Either way, we've all got to be extra watchful, cautious and ready to weather it if and when it comes...

17 posted on 12/04/2001 1:26:56 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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As a matter of fact, there have been stories about the possible use of "dirty" nuclear weapons in other news sources, and in the past couple of months some government spokesmen have said it was a possibility.

If they had any such weapons in place, I should think they would already have used them, but who knows?

Also, gum bleeding is indeed a recognized symptom of radiation sickness.

Even if you accept what they say, however, I doubt that Debka has any inside information.

18 posted on 12/04/2001 1:28:05 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Stevieboy
Who the hell knows.

Agreed. I just never like to pass up a good jab

19 posted on 12/04/2001 1:28:49 PM PST by ahariail
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To: ahariail
Who the hell knows
20 posted on 12/04/2001 1:30:38 PM PST by Stevieboy
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