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A chamber of horrors so close to the 'Garden of Eden'
The Independent (UK) ^ | December 1, 2001 | Andy Kershaw

Posted on 12/04/2001 8:25:34 AM PST by Will_Kansas

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To: chookter
The doctor is alive an well on C-Band satellite. 24/7
41 posted on 12/04/2001 9:15:28 AM PST by dr gene scott
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To: Will_Kansas
Pure, unadulterated bullsh*t.
42 posted on 12/04/2001 9:15:41 AM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Will_Kansas
One second thought...think I'll try to re-enlist when we hit Syria, instead of Iraq!
43 posted on 12/04/2001 9:16:39 AM PST by Destructor
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To: Will_Kansas
How do we know this is from "depleted uranium" and not from Saddam's own messing around with chemical and biological terror agents?

Look at what Saddam did to the Kurds.


44 posted on 12/04/2001 9:17:35 AM PST by Alouette
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To: John H K
There is little credible evidence there is any such thing as "Gulf War Syndrome" at all.

Well, there's a lot of kids missing arms and legs born to veterans. You can ignore that if you want to, but it's pretty clear that something is happening.

45 posted on 12/04/2001 9:19:08 AM PST by jrherreid
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To: dr gene scott
The doctor is alive an well on C-Band satellite. 24/7

Yes!

46 posted on 12/04/2001 9:19:35 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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To: jrherreid
Yet another reason to end sanctions against Iraq.

Sure, as soon as they live up to their end of the bargain, which they had agreed upon.

47 posted on 12/04/2001 9:19:59 AM PST by Paradox
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To: Will_Kansas
Depleted uranium has an incubation period in humans of five years

Oh gosh. It's incubating. And what will we see when it's finished incubating?

without brains

Ah. The answer. Little Saddams.

Seriously, though - it seems more likely that a large number of these kinds of birth defects is the result of something like Saddam's rampant chemical weapons research, in all its sloppiness.

48 posted on 12/04/2001 9:20:22 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Clinton's a rapist
"Pure, unadulterated bullsh*t."

Really? Then, how do you explain Gulf War Syndrome?"

49 posted on 12/04/2001 9:21:21 AM PST by Destructor
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To: jrherreid
Well, there's a lot of kids missing arms and legs born to veterans

It's fairly well established that a number of soldiers were in fact exposed to a cocktail of chemicals in Iraq. Again, cauterize the place - it's past time.

50 posted on 12/04/2001 9:22:44 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Will_Kansas
I thought depleted uranium was no longer radioactive

It is still radioactive, but to a greatly lesser extent than fuel grade. The half-lives listed are silly, and I am not aware of anyone even speculating that the earth is anywhere near 25 billion years old. Most don't even believe the Universe to be that old. In any event, generally the longer the half-life, the lower the intensity of radiation (after all, it's spread out over more time).

Most of this article displays profound ignorance of the science it professes to be relating.

51 posted on 12/04/2001 9:23:52 AM PST by lepton
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To: Gorzaloon
But the writers should look as critically at Saddam's love affairs with things like organophosphate nerve agents and the other goodies he likes to use on his own people, before assigning mutations to DU.

Exactly what I wanted to post. Saddam used nerve gas on his own people. I remember seeing the pictures of Kurds he was trying to eliminate.

My work experience includes chemical plants before my career as a software developer and I'll bet the Iraqi's don't use the environmental controls and safety measures we use in our plants. They are making some nasty stuff in their factories and you can bet their people are not protected. Consequently you will have more birth defects.

Our organophosphate pesticides are similar to the organophosphate nerve agents.

52 posted on 12/04/2001 9:27:04 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: lepton
Most of this article displays profound ignorance

Most anything written in "The Independent" radiates ignorance at approximately two billion terracurie per second. That's why its readers tend to become instantly stupid as rocks.

53 posted on 12/04/2001 9:27:18 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Will_Kansas
the 'Garden of Eden'

The article is bogus. Propaganda. Besides which the 'Garden of Eden' was in present day Afghanistan.

54 posted on 12/04/2001 9:30:29 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: jrherreid
Well, there's a lot of kids missing arms and legs born to veterans. You can ignore that if you want to, but it's pretty clear that something is happening.

Facts? Documentation?

55 posted on 12/04/2001 9:31:32 AM PST by consultant
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To: hawkeyeBetsy
I agree with you. But you also need to consider that the man is a doctor. Doctor's hate the effects of war no matter. He's seeing the after-effects.

What would be truly amazing here would be if so many of such would be able to go to term. A great many mutants and abbherations come to be under normal circumstance, but only rarely do they make it to birth with severe deformations, and rarer still to a year old. Iraqi pre-natal medical science is amazing.

56 posted on 12/04/2001 9:32:03 AM PST by lepton
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To: lepton
but only rarely do they make it to birth with severe deformations, and rarer still to a year old. Iraqi pre-natal medical science is amazing.

Indeed. But we have seen that Saddam isn't exactly focussing on his people's welfare, much of the time. I'd expect the medical all-round coverage in Iraq to be, at least, slightly below par. Is it possible that all this is in fact deliberately manufactured, or results of deliberate experiments in the Iraqi chemical wepons program?

57 posted on 12/04/2001 9:36:25 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Destructor
Really? Then, how do you explain Gulf War Syndrome?"

Mass hysteria.

How do you explain that all the malingerers and crappy soldiers in the units I was in 'suddenly' came down with GWS so they could get out of formations and stay on sick-call and get special treatment?

How do you explain that this mysterious illness appears more often in support troops than in combat troops who actually could have been exposed to 'something'?

Based on what I saw in the Army it was a nice way to be a sick-call commando and sham out of your job.

58 posted on 12/04/2001 9:38:48 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Will_Kansas; Khepera
I don't buy it, this is just another excuse to attack the "Evil West". They have been testing chemical weapons, and yet we are to blame?

Sorry...look inward first.

59 posted on 12/04/2001 9:39:39 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: ron_paul_fan
'If Iraqi infants want to be born with arms and legs then they need to earn this right by rising up from their cribs and overthrowing Saddam.'

So on point.

I have seen some of these photos with my own eyes in foreign news service providers online. Easier for the overly credulous to simply discount them as bu!!$hit than to go look for oneself, I guess.

Overthrowing/killing Saddam was never what the gulf war, the inspections or the sanctions were all about anyway. There are a million children dead/dying in Iraq (regardless of who's responsible) and Saddam is still quite alive.

'anything we do is always right, and anything they do is always wrong.'

exactly.

60 posted on 12/04/2001 9:43:52 AM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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