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BRILLIANT TEEN SCHOOLED HIMSELF IN ISLAM
New York Post ^ | 12/04/01 | JOHN LEHMANN and RONNA ABRAMSON

Posted on 12/04/2001 1:36:21 AM PST by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:02:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

December 4, 2001 -- The year 1997 was a critical turning point for high-school student John Walker. That's when he read "The Autobiography of Malcolm X," began wearing a white robe and turban, and changed his name.

The conversion of John Phillip Walker Lindh from California teenager to grimy Taliban fighter and U.S. prisoner of war can be traced to the year he spent cramming for his high-school diploma at an alternative independent school in the San Francisco Bay area.


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KEYWORDS: allindh; americanjihadists; binladen; chechnya; kashmir; malcolmx; millvalleymosque; suleyman; suleymanallindh; trainingcamp; uzbekistan; walker; yemen
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To: kattracks
Most Americans cannot understand the degree of rigor that went into this persons education. I have also studied religion passionately, searching for closure and peace. I can sympathize with John's soul searching...but he alienated himself from his people.

"Federal law forbids anyone owing allegiance to the United States, which includes all who hold U.S. citizenship, to levy war against the country or to give aid and comfort to its enemies" (qtd L.A. Times Dec. 5 William Webster-federal judge who headed both the FBI and the CIA) This rhetoric could become very dangerous.

What about other Americans who, like John convert to Islam. His case, and the legal rhetoric resulting from it, may generate suspicions, and bring other intellectuals to court. John is not in trouble for being Moslem. He is in trouble for pointing his AK-47 at America. It is one thing to shun the idols, and the shirk of American culture, to speak out in a public forum, and to speculate about political futures, it is another to go to war.

President Bush may declare anyone to be a threat to national security, and his decision may go unchecked. If John Walker/Suleyman Al-Lindh is convicted of treason it may happen without due process. Such a conviction could potentially threaten every American born Moslem in the United States. I worry that John is the zygote of modern McCarthyism. If moslem sympathies in the United States grow...and if at any point the war is not going good for the U.S. then I fear that the Government may go after Moslem Intellectuals in order to win the undeclared war on terror.

Suleyman Al-Lindh is not representative of other American Moslem Intellectuals.

Suleyman Al-Lindh is not representative of other American Moslem Intellectuals.
He is an extremist who left his country and his family...in his quest for God.

122 posted on 12/05/2001 12:48:30 PM PST by ramdalesh
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To: Demidog
Just WHERE did you find anything that substanciates your claim that he stopped fighting when the USA became involved? On FOX Cable, all of the threads in FR, and in newspapers I read at home, there was NO mention that he was no longer a combatant. He WAS fighting the NA ( and by inferrence, the USA ) when he was picked up.

Go reread the Constitution ; therein lies the full explination of what is YREASIN and SEDITION. This little creep is absolutely guilty of SEDITION !

Now, EVERYONE knows that you have a terrible reading comprehension problem , and that fruestration evidently frustrates you.

123 posted on 12/05/2001 2:46:27 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Demidog
Just WHERE did you find anything that substanciates your claim that he stopped fighting when the USA became involved? On FOX Cable, all of the threads in FR, and in newspapers I read at home, there was NO mention that he was no longer a combatant. He WAS fighting the NA ( and by inferrence, the USA ) when he was picked up.

Go reread the Constitution ; therein lies the full explination of what is TREASON and SEDITION. This little creep is absolutely guilty of SEDITION ; probably TREASON as well!

Now, EVERYONE knows that you have a terrible reading comprehension problem , and that evidently frustrates you.

124 posted on 12/05/2001 2:48:14 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Quila
Fleeing from Taliban-controlled Kabul to Taliban-controlled Kunduz is not "deserting." It's just running from the bombs.
125 posted on 12/05/2001 2:58:37 PM PST by Reg Niwthgir
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To: nopardons
Go reread the Constitution ; therein lies the full explination of what is YREASIN and SEDITION.

The Constitution doesn't mention sedition. I knew that before, but I just reconfirmed it by a word search. Nothing.

Now, I'd be really interested in seeing if he really did leave the Taliban when we started attacking them to get bin Laden. If he did, that would shut the door on any kind of treason having been committed.

126 posted on 12/05/2001 2:59:17 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
Now, I'd be really interested in seeing if he really did leave the Taliban when we started attacking them to get bin Laden.

He was captured with the Taliban in Kunduz.

127 posted on 12/05/2001 3:17:56 PM PST by Reg Niwthgir
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To: Quila
When war with the U.S. started, he deserted the army of the enemy of the U.S.

Is English your first language?
Please point out where in the story you found the above statement.

Or did you reword the story to make your point?

128 posted on 12/05/2001 3:27:07 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Phaethon
Judging from your writing style, you sound like a kindred spirit of this nut.
Your incoherent rant might even be characterized as "brilliant" by some members of the clueless press.

Or was that bombastic diatribe just the fruits of senility?
Either way, I think somewhere there are two villages each missing an idiot.

129 posted on 12/05/2001 3:38:46 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961
Article III, Section 3 states:
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No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
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What do you think the odds are that we'll find two witnesses willing to testify in a US court that this fellow committed an act of treason against the United States, namely "levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort?"

I mean, what defines "adhering?" What defines "levying War?"

130 posted on 12/05/2001 3:46:42 PM PST by mvpel
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To: Zipporah
what IS wrong with these people?? Send your son to alone to YEMEN ???..he couldn't have been even 18 years old .. (he graduated 2 years early.) Are they INSANE??

No, they are progressive; they are socialist; they are wise.

And above all touchie-feelie and they mean well.
What more do ya want?

131 posted on 12/05/2001 3:53:22 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Demidog
When the U.S. became an enemy of the Taliban he didn't fight for the Taliban anymore.

Have you been hitting the juice?
He was a Taliban prisoner of war, having been caught defending Kunduz.

Or do you know something not in the report?
He was just picked up while hitchhiking or what?

132 posted on 12/05/2001 3:59:51 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: mvpel
What do you think the odds are that we'll find two witnesses willing to testify in a US court that this fellow committed an act of treason against the United States, namely "levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort?"

He was either with the Taliban defending Kunduz or he was not.
If he was, every Taliban fighter taken prisoner along with him that day is a witness. As I recall there were hundreds.
He further took part in the prison uprising and retired to the lower level of the prison to hold out. All the acts of an active fighter.

You want video and a signed confession?

133 posted on 12/05/2001 4:07:09 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: nopardons
Just WHERE did you find anything that substanciates your claim that he stopped fighting when the USA became involved?

In this very article you moron.

When the U.S. bombardment of Kabul began, he said he fled 100 miles on foot to Kunduz, where he came to be one of more than 3,000 Taliban soldiers taken as prisoners to the 19th-century fortress at Mazar-e-Sharif.

134 posted on 12/05/2001 4:12:13 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Publius6961
Have you been hitting the juice? He was a Taliban prisoner of war, having been caught defending Kunduz.

False. Read it again.

135 posted on 12/05/2001 4:13:08 PM PST by Demidog
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To: ramdalesh
He never pointed his ak at America.
136 posted on 12/05/2001 4:15:19 PM PST by Demidog
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To: kattracks
Both John's father, Frank Lindh, a strict Irish Catholic, and his mother, Marilyn Walker, a Buddhist, were supportive of their son's new faith.

Like hell his father was a strict Irish Catholic. No strict Irish Catholic I have ever met allows his son at the age 16 to choose his own religion.

There is something very odd about this whole story. I think there is much we still don't know.

137 posted on 12/05/2001 4:19:33 PM PST by independentmind
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To: gumbo
You're right. Even the relatively conservative NY Post is trying to tie in the "strict"-ness of the father's Catholicism for this kid's nuttiness. IMO it's his mother's hippy-dippy New Age kumbaya beliefs that drove the kid into the arms of a fundamentalist cult.

Strict Catholics aren't usually married to Buddhists, either.

138 posted on 12/05/2001 4:23:38 PM PST by independentmind
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To: SuziQ
I have a hard time believing his father was a STRICT Irish Catholic; if so he wouldn't have whole heartedly supported his move over to Islam. His parents are divorced, and I think the young man was just looking for something, anything to fill the void. I said on a different thread the other day that Islam for this him was like a cult.

I see many others here have picked up on the "strict Irish Catholic" characterization. I am probably one of the few posters here who actually feels sorry for the kid; it's his parents that deserve the outrage.

139 posted on 12/05/2001 4:27:15 PM PST by independentmind
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To: Clinton's a rapist
they'll be like Lori Berenson's parents, endlessly whining to every left-wing media outlet who'll give them a soapbox, and there'll be plenty.

We should let his fellow Muslims the Northern Alliance take care of him. They have better forms of punishment than we do anyhow.

140 posted on 12/05/2001 4:27:26 PM PST by FITZ
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