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One Nation, Slightly Divisible: A Report from “Red” and “Blue” America
The Atlantic Monthly | December 2001 | David Brooks

Posted on 12/03/2001 6:03:55 PM PST by rface

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To: TightSqueeze
"BTW when and if I ever decide to sell out and move to loathsome USA, the sale price for my house will buy three there."

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuse us!

21 posted on 12/03/2001 6:58:37 PM PST by okie01
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To: rface
how come people who live in Red America always talk like...yada, yada, yada.

Since we don't have to commute, guess were home from work before eight o'clock and are able to watch a little TV once in a while. Who wants to live in places like this anyway

Never-saw-my-house-in-the-daylight, Michigan
Moved-to-the-country-my-kids-still-smoke-pot, Illinois
Bumper-to-bumper-traffic, Kentucky
Last-time-I-was-home-before-eight-o’clock-they-thought-I-got-fired, Pennsylvania
Pack-a-lunch-to-go-any-friggin-place, Minnesota
Used-to-walk-to-work, Indiana

22 posted on 12/03/2001 7:05:11 PM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: rface
how come people who live in Red America always talk like...yada, yada, yada.

The words yada,yada,yada only make sense if you're wearing lots of tinfoil on your head. We red-America folk don't take too kindly to alien brain wave transmissions or blue-America folk that are influenced by them aliens.

23 posted on 12/03/2001 7:24:38 PM PST by Brett66
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To: TightSqueeze
Sounds like a small town atmosphere would calm you!!?
24 posted on 12/03/2001 7:27:54 PM PST by potlatch
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To: potlatch
Sounds like a small town atmosphere would calm you!!?

Been there, done that, lived for seven years in a little dutchy called Stillwater (Boring) now I have a car with less than 100,000 miles that is less than 3 years old, and I know what the color of my house is.

25 posted on 12/03/2001 7:35:26 PM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: rface
Bush's Yahoo Nation

Ditch Dixie

Northerners Want Us Out

Gore Carries the Porn Belt

26 posted on 12/03/2001 7:44:18 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: anniegetyourgun
I've lived in Blue America (NYC, Chicago, and LA) and have been surrounded by the sort of people who this article's author claims to be. Every Thanksgiving, Christmas, you name it, ends up in an argument between me and the other guests. It's hard work being a Freeper in a limosine-liberal world. Beyond the obliviousness shown by the sort of people described as Blues toward the rest of America, the fact that these urban liberals are oblivious to the circumstances in their own back-yard is even more disturbing. OK, so maybe somebody has never been to Iowa, but these people don't even know what is going on in their own back-yards. I routinely challenge people like this in arguments to tell me what "check-day" is and to tell me what their personal observations have been in parts of their own city further than walking distance from some muffin shop. They can't because they have never been to a "bad" neighboorhood, or even a working class one in their own cities, and talked to "normal" people, let alone the "wilds" of the Rest Of America. They just sit around and expound upon the nature of evil as they see it, alowing themselves the luxury of not basing any of their thoughts on the way the world really is. Their ignorance and obliviousness never ceases to amaze me.
27 posted on 12/03/2001 7:49:52 PM PST by jofish
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To: vladog
Waylon Jennings couldn't have said it better.
28 posted on 12/03/2001 7:53:18 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: TightSqueeze
"BTW when and if I ever decide to sell out and move to loathsome USA, the sale price for my house will buy three there."

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuse us!

All I can say, is for his own good I hope he makes 3 salaries...

29 posted on 12/03/2001 7:53:41 PM PST by jofish
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To: TightSqueeze
Well, you made your move from Red to Blue America, I decided to do it the other way. I just couldn't justify comuting 12 miles in 90 minutes and never finding the time to enjoy my home. I sold the house in Medford Massachusetts (Boston), and bought one three times as nice for a third of the cost out here. I now have the time to do what I want, when I want.

I don't like night clubs, and I don't like living within a sea of people. I like taking the boat out, or going on an exotic trip to northern Minnisota for some pike fishing. Once a year there will be a movie I might want to see, so I go to the theater. Bowling is fun a few times a year too.

I sure am glad that you enjoy living where you do. I am glad you have a three year old car too, but if your putting 100K miles on it that quick, you should spend a couple bucks and get yourself another one, hell, you can afford it.

Ashland, Missouri

31 posted on 12/03/2001 8:05:00 PM PST by rface
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To: zog
Thought you might find this interesting in regards to our conversation...

I can name at least 20 Nascar drivers, so maybe its not so bad. :)

32 posted on 12/03/2001 8:06:51 PM PST by newwahoo
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To: TightSqueeze
--all that might be true, but every morning you'll get up, go to your front stoop, and there will be a large pile of dog crap. We send them over, they're trained as guerrilla fighters.....
33 posted on 12/03/2001 9:57:09 PM PST by zog
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--ya, thanks, cool thread. Ya got me beat, I can't name maybe two nascar drivers. I got real upset years ago when I worked with a labonte cuzzin and I found it was like pro wrestling, like they ain't really fords and chevys and dodges, they just sorta kinda almost maybe sorta look like fords and chevys and dodges.

The most catfish I ever caught without having to rebait the hook was about two dozen or so, 21 exactly if I remember correctly, was using a chicken drumstick "knuckle". What do ya do if there isn't any good catfishing locally?

Spent about a week over in the east village once, right across the street from CBGB's actually. ... NYC is LOUD all the time, and the cooking smells are unique. I spent a few days walking all around the city, occassionaly attempting to hitchike across various bridges (this is almost impossible). I liked all the food the best I think. Central park was spooky at night, feral humans deluxe. I saw frozen (stiff) person, too, as well as being there during a garbage strike, now THAT was interesting. No , not the frozen person, kinda strange looking, and sad of course. The garbage strike was awesome, wall to wall across the streets, man, humans buy a lot of stuff they don't want! I'm sure it's exactly the same in the rural areas per capita, it just ain't all..concentrated like that. I never did do much real "classic" tourist action, just walked a lot. Did go up in some building to the top and eat a steak someplace, can't remember the name now. Did meet a nice girl there, she claimed cher lived across from her for awhile, who knows on that, but she wanted me to move there permanent, and here I was almost like crocodile zogdee walking around with a pack and a knife. Too funny years later to see that movie. I was a serious neck craner and gawker. hehehehehe Too loud though, someone needs to say 'shhhhhh' once in awhile.

34 posted on 12/03/2001 10:15:17 PM PST by zog
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To: rface
It's a great article and may show up on the Atlantic site next month. Brooks likes Red America, but it's exotic to him and he's a little condescending towards it.

The thing that impressed me the most was his perception that people in Bluzonia were always trying to prove how different they are and how superior to the average and ordinary they are. Those in Redzonia accept life more as it is and live according to the religion and tradition passed on to them.

In a way it's David Reisman's "Lonely Crowd" fifty years later: the tradition-directed, only partly other-directed Red Zone vs. the other-directed Blue Zone which aims at Inner-Direction and Autonomy but never gets there.

I don't think we are two countries. It's just that in the absence of more pressing crises, these cultural differences come to the forefront. Certainly, there are real differences between the two areas, but in 2000, the two parties were not so far apart in terms of what they would do. The differences came from us not from them. They certainly did reflect the real divisions in the country over the past thirty or forty years, but did not reflect conflicts over what was to be done in the short-run. Maybe it's a glass-half-empty glass-half-full phenomenon: philosophical differences come to be more apparent when pressing political debates die away. Does that mean that we are more or less divided?

In any event, with the coming of real crises, problems and challenges, the country will look very differently than it did in 2000.

35 posted on 12/03/2001 11:07:32 PM PST by x
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To: Noxxus
"Brooks forgot one very important virtue enjoyed by those of us in Red America....our women are much better endowed, naturally :)"

That's because in Blue America a woman can never be too rich or too thin, but in Red America men like their women built for comfort, not for speed. :)

What can I say? Guess I just sign off as:
-- a Blue mind in a Red body
:)

36 posted on 12/03/2001 11:42:47 PM PST by walden
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To: jofish
I too am behind enemy lines in Seattle. I can so relate to your comments.

BTW, welcome to FR.

38 posted on 12/04/2001 4:34:00 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: superdestroyer
A factor about race play

In Blue America you might indeed see a blonde, blue eyed girl waiting tables but only at the chic restaurants in NY and LA where the waiters are beautiful unemployed actors. Blonde people are rare in the Northeast which is why, I suspect, a blonde girl in NY could have any guy she wanted, unlike in Red America, where blondes are commonplace.

39 posted on 12/04/2001 5:10:00 AM PST by Tokhtamish
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