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Posted on 12/03/2001 1:48:46 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
I believe I just read recently that he plans to organize and establish a "national security council" similar to that of ours here in the United States and then he plans to be the Chairman of that council in order to maintain his grip within the party.
Now, if only we can have that same disbelief in Leftism take place in America!
This, if true, is wonderful news. Absolutely wonderful. I believe that the truest way to achieve maximum worldwide peace is the dissolvement of Marxism in all of its vestiges (socialism, communism, "third-way," etc.).
"At the same time, within the United States dissidents are divided into factions that rarely compromise, further limiting their political effectiveness.
Not to start a war, but, I find this statement to be the very definition of Libertarians here in the U.S. Stomp, complain, yell, or whatever, but as long as you are not in power, your message is virutally moot. Libertarianize the GOP has the right idea by his username. If only there were a way for the GOP and Libertarians to find common ground and work to achieve that common ground!
If this news about China becomes more mainstream, you can rest assured that our pointy headed intelligensia will say that the Chinese didn't perform communism the right way, just as they say whenever the failure of communism in the U.S.S.R. is brought up.
Taiwan is a matter of national dignity. It has nothing to do with what political party or system rules China. When the US sold China to USSR by allowing Mongolia to split from China in Yalta in WWII, Chiang Kai-Shek even thought about negotiating with Japan to end the Sino-Japanese war so that the Red Army would have no reason to enter Manchuria.
Not likely. Its against the Chinese constitution and Jiang won't be able to do so. The CCP's doctine is "the party commanding the gun".
The person Jiang has tried to place in the leadership belongs to "gang of princelines", but Hu Jintao was from the "faction of youth league".
>>It is likely that Jiang will trey to keep his post as commander of the PLA, as Deng did, but uncertain whether he will be able to do it. Deng was a soldier, Jiang is a politician. The complaint against him here is that he is too soft.
If Jiang gives up the post as CCP's head, he can't keep the post as PLA commander. The complaint against him is not only his weakness but his failure in dealing with the Sino-US relaitions, especially after the embassy bombing and EP3 inccident.
The UN and the western nations refused to recognize PRC for over 20 years. The US recognized ROC in Taiwan with merely 20 million people as the sole and legitmate government representing China (with 1 billion people) for 30 years.
nicely said.
the issue is not if communism crumbles in china, the issue is whether or not the current leadership can invoke free market change as fast as those on the east coast desire. as an aside, if communism crumbles, i see some provences becoming autonomous.
That is the most bogus BS answer ever given. I am an advocate of arming Taipei with nuclear weapons, enough to destroy everything in the PRC, (which Taiwan never has belonged to). There is no such thing as one China. It is a fairy tale. 'one China' means 'preserve and don't challenge the CCP'.
There is though one communist party, and those jerks don't like competition. THAT is the problem.
It has everything to do with political system to everyone except people who make excuses about why they should go ahead and try to conquer Taiwan. It has most to do with the absolute arrogance of the CCP thinking they ARE China.
It is a matter of national pride only to the communist party who want to be able to say that they conquered everyone. "Pride" has a lot to do with it. Thats true. They are too prideful to do what is right so instead they fight.
I am telling you, China will be humilated if they don't starting thinking like civilized people.
Quit being uneducated. The only real reason the CCP has anything to do with Taiwan is #1 face, which the ccp lacks. #2 to save their own necks from the competion of a better political system...that sort of creates 'instablility in China', at least to the absolute rulers of the ccp that is...
When the US sold China to USSR by allowing Mongolia to split from China in Yalta in WWII, Chiang Kai-Shek even thought about negotiating with Japan to end the Sino-Japanese war so that the Red Army would have no reason to enter Manchuria.
Chiang Kai Shek was pissed off at America over all kinds of stuff. He blamed America, at least partially for the ongoing civil war... which I think he was right. With friends like John Paton Davies and the Dixie Mission who needs enemies.
There won't be any mercy at all if China does not get off of their national arrogance and start to look at Taiwan as equals, and not people to be conquered for the political good of the ccp.
That nationalistic bulls#t ideology is going to get you humilated and there will be no one to blame but yourself.
Deng did that because of the demand from the old communits revolutionaries who didn't trust the young leadership. Five months after the Tiananmen inccident Deng relived himself of the post, which implied that the president must also be the supreme commander of PLA. Since Jiang couldn't even place his men in the new leadership, I don't think he can keep the military post.
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They heard too much propaganda and not enough truth about what really happened in history. They don't learn what the British were thinking when they attacked. They don't learn about what the Taiwanese believe in. They don't learn about American thought.
The only thought that counts is what the ccp says is right. When you start looking at things honestly, with facts, and from BOTH sides of the ball, then you will finally realize how stupid China looks on the world stage.
No one except the CCP and some of its ardent followers believe the CCP's version of history. No one believes in the political beliefs.
The more you talk the way you do, Lake, the more foolish you look.
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No one said it will be easy. It might not be Jiang who does anything.
The masses are ignorant and uneducated. Thats the problem. If you have a white face, they don't care...you are bad or some 'invader'. They don't want to think, or reason, or find out why, they just want to act out or cause trouble.
They have not learned the European side, the Australian side, the American side, the Canadian side, the Taiwanese side, or anyone else's side of the arguments; yet they KNOW they are 100% right all the time. And if you don't believe that they are 100% right all the time too then you are 'anti-China'.
An uneducated activist who won't look at things objectively and try to really learn and understand, but rather opts for violent protest is dangerous.
THAT is China's problem. And there are people who exploit that...
Well, they ARE educated. Many of them were even educated in the US, like the authors of "China can say no".
>>They don't learn what the British were thinking when they attacked.
The British certainly don't know what the Chinese were thinking when they forced China to signed the unequal treaties after the Opium War.
>>you will finally realize how stupid China looks on the world stage.
Jiang is being criticized for that by both leftists and rightists.
As far as change going on right now... I don't know... There is definately a power/ideology struggle going on for sure. This week it appears one way, but next month who knows. In government time, 10 or 20 years is fast. So in other words when you say 'right now' do you mean 'right now as in today' or 'right now as in this era'? I think today might be silent, but this era is full of a big power struggle.
Apparently they had enough people aligned to bring up the whole 'capitalist in the party' thing, but IMO the other side started to take their perverbial guns out and literally threatened to cause problems...
So the idea was shelved.
I don't think it has gone away, it is just that timing is everything. Plus in China, open change makes people nervous. A case of cold feet is what I think it is...
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