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To: beavus
"I don't know what else can be said. It sure seems to me that you believe that all that nonsense about natural law that pervades the Enlightenment--all that hogwash about men being "endowed by their Creator" should be flushed down the toilet to be replaced by the more profound and metaphysically sound notion of rights by citizenship."

Not flushed down the toilet. Everyone has natural rights. We the Posterity of the Founders are privileged humans, who have established a government FOR US, that gives US exclusive protection of those pre-existing self evident natural rights. Natural Rights of foreigners need not necessarily be protected by my government.

Natural rights of foreigners should be protected by THEIR country's government. No free lawyers should be provided US enemies who are over here trying to kill US. I don't know how much plainer the truth can be.

Everyone has natural rights. Not everyone should be able to harness the US Government to protect those natural rights - only people who are OF the United States deserve that protection. The Constitution and its protections were established for people OF the United States.

No free lawyers for non-citizens who hate us. Z. Moussoui has inferior claim on the resources of this country being used to protect his natural rights. He's darn lucky there are so many do-good bleeding hearts in this, my, not his, country. As a US citizen, I have superior claim to the resources of this country, when my natural rights need protection. He ought to be in Gitmo.

The Bill of Rights does not require money to be drawn from the US treasury for lawyers for non-citizens over here who are planning to kill us.

684 posted on 07/23/2002 4:36:50 PM PDT by H.Akston
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To: H.Akston
that gives US exclusive protection of those pre-existing self evident natural rights

...and the freedom to violate the natural rights of noncitizens in our country?

Natural law, the reason it is called natural law, is an argument of how each individual human should behave towards other humans, no matter what country he is in, or what planet he is on.

There are very few resources needed to indiscriminately protect the rights of all innocent humans within our borders. It does not raise the cost of national defense, and those who would commit crimes against noncitizens should be behind bars anyway.

The real "expense" comes from granting entitlements to noncitizens that even citizens don't have a (moral) right to.

685 posted on 07/23/2002 5:08:09 PM PDT by beavus
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