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To: Boucheau
Religion still holds on to the "most innocents killed" title.

Pure BS. Religion will NEVER rival the number of innocents slaughtered by atheistic communistic regimes in the last century. If you honestly believe this, your ignorance is worthy of ridicule.

70 posted on 12/01/2001 12:35:49 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: proud2bRC
"Pure BS. Religion will NEVER rival the number of innocents slaughtered by atheistic communistic regimes in the last century. If you honestly believe this, your ignorance is worthy of ridicule."

Shall we take a look at JUST the catholics, kind Sir?

The Roman branch of Christianity has a terrible record of instigating wars in its own interest. Setting aside the promptness of the clergy of every country to support the national authorities without any regard to justice (the Buddhist priests in Japan, the Italian priests in the rape of Abyssinia, the attack on France, etc.), the Papacy has in the course of eleven centuries initiated wars in its own interest, and to the grave injury of the peoples involved, which have helped to retard the progress of civilization and cost tens of millions of lives. The wars it set afoot for the recovery or protection of its temporal possessions from the eighth century, when such wars had millions of victims, to the nineteenth have drained Italy, France, and Germany of blood century after century. The Crusades , summoned by the Popes in whatever spirit they were conducted, led to appalling losses and ended in futility. Scores of times they flung nation against nation because some monarch refused to submit to them and was declared deposed; and they blessed aggressive wars - of the Normans in England, the English in Ireland, etc. - because kings offered to do them feudal service. The Thirty Years War, which according to all historians put back for a century the civilization of half Europe, lost an unknown number - certainly millions - of lives and led to epidemics of vice, was incited by the Papacy and the Jesuits as - their agents. The most amazing feature is that in our own day the Pope can pose as a serene advocate of peace while he incites to war in the interest of his Church as explicitly as Gregory VII or Innocent III did. From the date of his accession (and for some years earlier as Secretary of State) the present Pope repeatedly demanded "the extinction of Bolshevism in Spain, Mexico, and Russia"; that is to say, revolt (aided by Italy and Germany in a savage war) in Spain, the annexation of Mexico by the United States, and war upon Russia by Germany. The entire Catholic Press of the world supported his demand, and it was frequently reproduced (sympathetically) in the Times and other organs. He remained also in close alliance with Japan during its series of vile aggressions, and he attempted to paralyse America's assistance to Britain, when Germany treacherously attacked Russia, by inciting the great body of American Catholics to cause trouble and facilitate that destruction of Russia for which he hoped. Throughout 1946 the Church has made frantic efforts to drive America into war with Russia.

Care to try again? I have proof of hundreds of millions of deaths tied to religion to support my earlier assertion.

Here's something a little bit more up-to-date for ya. Oh, and ridicule til your heart's content.

Country Main religious groups involved Type of conflict
Afghanistan Extreme, radical Fundamentalist Muslim terrorist groups & non-Muslims Osama bin Laden heads a terrorist group called Al Quada (The Source) whose headquarters are in Afghanistan. They are protected by the Taliban dictatorship in the country. Al Quada is generally regarded as having committed many terrorist attacks on U.S. ships, embassies, and buildings. Their goal is to promote a worldwide war between Muslims and non-Muslims. Britain and the U.S. are attacking the Taliban and Al Quada. 
Bosnia Serbian Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholic), Muslims Fragile peace is holding, due to the presence of peacekeepers. 2
Côte d'Ivoire Muslims, Indigenous, Christian Following the elections in late 2000, government security forces "began targeting civilians solely and explicitly on the basis of their religion, ethnic group, or national origin. The overwhelming majority of victims come from the largely Muslim north of the country, or are immigrants or the descendants of immigrants..." 5
Cyprus Christians & Muslims The island is partitioned, creating enclaves for ethnic Greeks (Christians) and Turks (Muslims). A UN peace keeping force is maintaining stability.
India Animists, Hindus, Muslims & Sikhs Various conflicts that heat up periodically. Situation exacerbated recently by the election of a Hindu nationalist party as the federal government.
Indonesia, province of Ambon Christians, Muslims After centuries of relative peace, conflicts between Christians and Muslims started during 1999-JUL in this province of Indonesia. The situation appears to be stable.
Indonesia, currently a province of East Timor Christians & Muslims A Roman Catholic country that was forcibly annexed by Indonesia (mainly Muslim). 20% of the  population died by murder, starvation or disease. After voting for independence, many Christians were exterminated or exiled by the Indonesian army and army-funded militias in a carefully planned program of genocide and religious cleansing. Situation now stable.
Indonesia, province of Halmahera  Christians & Muslims 30 people killed. 2,000 Christians driven out; homes and churches destroyed.
Kashmir Hindus & Muslims A chronically unstable region of the world, claimed by both Pakistan and India. The availability of nuclear weapons and the eagerness to use them are destabilizing the region further. More details 
Kosovo Serbian Orthodox Christians & Muslims Peace enforced by NATO peacekeepers. There is convincing evidence of mass murder by Yugoslavian government (mainly Serbian Orthodox Christians) against ethnic Albanians (mostly Muslim) Full story
Kurdistan Christians, Muslims Assaults on Christians (Protestant, Chaldean Catholic & Assyrian Orthodox). Bombing campaign underway.
Macedonia Macedonian Orthodox Christians & Muslims Muslims (often referred to as ethnic Albanians) engaged in a civil war with the rest of the country who are primarily Macedonian Orthodox Christians. A peace treaty has been signed. Disarmament by NATO is complete.
Middle East Jews, Muslims, & Christians The peace process between Israel and Palestine suffered a complete breakdown. This has resulted in the deaths of over 400 Palestinians, and about 80 Jews.  Major strife broke out in 2000-SEP and is continuing.
Nigeria Christians, Animists, & Muslims Yourubas and Christians in the south of the country are battling Muslims in the north. Country is struggling towards democracy after decades of Muslim military dictatorships. More details
Northern Ireland Protestants, Catholics After 3,600 killings and assassinations over 30 years, some progress has been made in the form of a ceasefire and a independent status for the country. 
Pakistan Suni & Shi'ite Muslims Low level mutual attacks.
Philippines Christians & Muslims Low level, centuries old conflict between the mainly Christian central government and Muslims in the south of the country. More details
Russia,
Chechnya
Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims The Russian army attacked the breakaway region. Muslims had allegedly blown up buildings in Moscow. Many atrocities have been alleged.
Serbia, province of Vojvodina Serbian Orthodox & Roman Catholics Serb Ethnic cleansing programs have "encouraged" 50,000 ethnic Hungarians (almost all Roman Catholics) to leave this northernmost province of Yugoslavia. Full story.
South Africa Animists & "Witches" Hundreds of persons, suspected and accused of black magic, are murdered each year.
Sri Lanka Buddhists & Hindus Tamils (a mainly Hindu 18% minority) are involved in a long-standing war for independence with the rest of the country (70% Buddhist)
Sudan Animists, Christians & Muslims Complex ethnic, racial, religious conflict. Slavery and near slavery practiced. Alleged instances of crucifixion. 3
Tibet Buddhists & Communists Country was annexed by Chinese Communists in late 1950's. Brutal suppression of religion continues. *

131 posted on 12/01/2001 11:23:53 PM PST by Boucheau
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