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What has atheism done for us lately?
Centre Daily Times ^ | 12/1/01 | Gary L. Morella

Posted on 12/01/2001 10:28:24 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

What has atheism done for us lately?

By Gary L. Morella

I have a question for those who believe that the atheistic worship of the state is to be recommended over an appreciation of a "higher" or "natural" law as the foundation for the rights that government ought to secure for the common good.

Natural law can be readily appreciated in the American experience, given the preamble to the Declaration of Independence: "When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary ... to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them ..."

Natural law is something above power or force that gives content to the notion of justice. This notion suggests that there is a higher law by which the positive law of the state is to be measured and judged. Slavery was ultimately abolished in America because of the recognition of this "higher law."

Thomas Aquinas sets the most famous variation of this approach in his Summa Theologica. His natural law is a participation in the wisdom and goodness of God by the human person, formed in the image of the Creator. It expresses the dignity of the person and forms the basis of human rights and fundamental duties. This was the approach later used by Martin Luther King, Jr. in his "Letter from a Birmingham Jail," which contains references to Aquinas.

Simply put, what has state worship done for us lately? We only have to look at recent history for an answer. We saw the deaths of six million Jews and 20 million Ukrainians in the concentration camps and gulags of Hitler and Stalin, respectively. Today, we see the killing of 40 million innocents in what should be their safest place of refuge, their mothers' wombs.

If the state is the final arbiter of the law, the sole dispenser of rights, we're in big trouble, given the lessons of history. The state can easily take these rights away with catastrophic consequences. This is inevitable when each man is a universe unto himself, courtesy of Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which ignored a very important question: What happens when each citizen's "personal universe of rights" collides with another's? In the absence of some absolute, immutable, higher law, knowable through reason and not just faith, we're left with anarchy.

But more to the point, the traditionally recognized goal of a respected political regime is the common good. Does killing our children when they're most vulnerable and promoting aberrant behavior that leads to physical ruin meet that goal?

The fact is that ignorance of the necessity for human law to be rooted in the natural law has led to the major ills plaguing society today. This has nothing to do with theocracy. It has everything to do with common sense and the rule of right reason. This is obvious to any Christian who knows that God's supreme gift to us was the opportunity to choose him freely.

Interestingly, those decrying theocracies have no problem accepting a "state religion of amorality," which is promoted by demagogues who won't stand for any opposition. This is the current state of affairs in a "politically correct" but "morally bankrupt" America for which we can thank the example of the former "adolescent-in-chief," whose main claim to fame was making the country more comfortable with its vices.


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To: Norvokov
Actually, you're the idiot. Clearly, he is talking about the absense of the belief that our government was founded upon the ideals of classical liberalism, the belief that the rights of our people are granted by God, not by men. When he mentions "worship of the state," he is talking about people viewing the state as the giver of freedom.

But what does that have to do with atheism? There are plenty of atheists who oppose statist tyranny, just look at Ayn Rand.

21 posted on 12/01/2001 10:52:45 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: proud2bRC
I have a question for those who believe that the atheistic worship of the state

I have a few atheist and agnostic friends. I can assure you, they do not worship the state. I think your confusing them with democracts.

22 posted on 12/01/2001 10:54:03 AM PST by texlok
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To: proud2bRC
Worship of all external authorities is the most deadly disease that currently plagues conscious man...

That disease is called mysticism...

It is the root source for all death and unhappiness in conscious humans...

We will eventually eliminate the disease of mysticism...

Only then will true happiness for conscious beings exist on this planet...

23 posted on 12/01/2001 10:55:48 AM PST by Ferris
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To: Dimensio
Then he should have asked what statism has done for us lately. Using the term "atheist" and following it up in the fashion above is an implication that all atheists are statists. Even the title of the article is loaded; implying that "atheism" is supposed to do anything for "us".

You mean people have agendas on FR ;-)

I've got two friends who are atheists, I'm going to have to ask them monday why haven't they done anything for me, starting with my yard.

24 posted on 12/01/2001 10:56:05 AM PST by texlok
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To: proud2bRC
Hmm ... You like the metaphor but think atheists should draw no comfort from it? Maybe. Let's think it through. Sometimes rates for contraceptive success or failure distinguish the rate of "user failure", ie, people don't know how to put on a condom, or they don't leave room at the tip for ejaculate, or they don't terminate coitus immediately upon ejaculation, etc etc. And even when a condom us properly used, it might be a good idea, as noted above, to use a spermicide.
25 posted on 12/01/2001 10:57:09 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Dimensio
The newspaper gave the title to his guest editorial. If you desire to critique the content, fine. But don't criticize him for the title.

And of course, I simply posted it as titled, as per FR guidelines. (I like the headline, of course. It garnered the desired effect.)

26 posted on 12/01/2001 10:57:58 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Ferris
You are being either incredibly sarcastic or incredibly naive. I cannot fathom which...
27 posted on 12/01/2001 11:00:20 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: proud2bRC
I have a question for those who believe that the atheistic worship of the state is to be recommended over an appreciation of a "higher" or "natural" law as the foundation for the rights that government ought to secure for the common good.

Does it apply to me? I believe that the atheistic worship of reason and individual rights is to be recommended over an appreciation of any "higher" law. Regards.

28 posted on 12/01/2001 11:03:23 AM PST by Lev
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Sorry, I do not like it, but I do find the metaphore to be apt (but I doubt you comprehend my contempt for the contraceptive mentality. If you did you would understand why I feel the comparison is an appropriate one, i.e., condoms are representative of the Culture of Death mentality, atheistic statism a perfect illustration of the Culture of Death in motion.)
29 posted on 12/01/2001 11:04:14 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: proud2bRC
"Culture of Death" sounds bad. I'm not even sure what it means. Is the idea that each sperm is sacred, an innocent human life, and that if you empty your load into a condom it's like masturbation and the bible says you shouldn't spill your seed on the ground?
30 posted on 12/01/2001 11:09:33 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
No.
31 posted on 12/01/2001 11:12:55 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: proud2bRC
Thank goodness. For a moment there I thought you might think masturbation is part of the "Culture of Death" thing. OK, so that's not it. Masturbation is OK; condoms are bad. -- "Culture of Death" and all. So who does get killed when one uses a condom?
33 posted on 12/01/2001 11:17:45 AM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: proud2bRC; longshadow; Junior; VadeRetro; RadioAstronomer; jennyp
I have a question for those who believe that the atheistic worship of the state ...

The author is totally confused. In his ignorance, he imagines that if someone doesn't worship his way, then by default he must worship the state. This is nonsense. Athiests, by definition, don't worship anything. The author's confusion reminds me of the infinite confusion of creationists, who imagine that accepting the evidence of evolution implies worship of Darwin. No point in debating with people like that. They're fouled up beyond anyone's capacity to straighten out their thinking.

34 posted on 12/01/2001 11:37:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: proud2bRC
With regards to states, atheisim is no more than a tool used by a state to deny sovereignty of Free will and impose authoritarian rule. Any religious doctrine can be used in the same way. That includes some Christian doctrine that holds to authoritarian principles.

It is impossible for a state to use God's word as a tool to impose it's will on others. God gave the gift of Free will to all men, and to subvert it amounts to taking that which is not yours. God also gave his moral code. It is embodied in the 10 commandments, summarized by Jesus in 2. A state that does any more sanctioning than can be justified by the commandments that govern the relations of men is immoral and has sinned in the eyes of God. Most importantly, when done in the name of God, it amounts to bearing false witness.

God came to the world to bear witness to Himself. He did not come to conquer, establish a state, or to have men establish a state in His name. He told those that would follow Him to bear witness, so light would shine in the eyes of men and give glory to God. There are atheists that are moral folks in the eyes of God, just as the holders of some other religions are. If they are in the dark they will likely remain there w/o light.

Atheism is is not fundamentally immoral, it is simply darkness. Darkness will do nothing for you at all.

35 posted on 12/01/2001 11:40:41 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Norvokov
Agnostics are fine--neutral...athiest are God/Truth haters--negative...propagators-carriers of hate-evil!
36 posted on 12/01/2001 11:46:28 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: elfman2
"That's stateism, not atheism."

Exactly.

37 posted on 12/01/2001 11:49:04 AM PST by spunkets
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To: proud2bRC
But indeed most statists are atheists.

This will come as a surprise to those in the nation's army 1933-1945 whose uniform included
a belt buckle with the words "Gott Mit Uns" (God Is With Us).

38 posted on 12/01/2001 11:52:41 AM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: f.Christian
"athiest are God/Truth haters--negative...propagators-carriers of hate-evil!"

That's just an inflamitory, derisive statement and absolute falsehood.

39 posted on 12/01/2001 11:54:06 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Thiests--pro-God!

Agnostics--no opinion!

Athiests--negative..anti-God-Truth!

40 posted on 12/01/2001 11:58:09 AM PST by f.Christian
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