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To: lexcorp
The only difference between physics and metaphysics is that metaphysicians proclaim their failures to demonstate [snip]

Metaphysics is philosophy, not religion or theology. Your discussion demonstrates that you are engaging in metaphysical inquiry, whether you think it exists (separately from science) or not . . .

Replace "God" with "Allah" . . .

Sorry, it doesn't work, according to Islam's description of Allah . . .

And their gods are oftentimes far more personal and approachable than *you* think Jesus to be.

Trying to remember how these gods are described. Approachable -- in that they are fallible? Or engage in behavior that does not always challenge their followers to rectitude? In terms of religious doctrine, what a religion or followers say/believe about their own God/gods, the Christian God is as personal as they get . . .

if your best friend isn't in fact there, you might need to hear about it even sooner.

Although I appreciate your altruistic concern for others here, in light of the fact that you can't prove He isn't in fact there . . .

An infinitely powerful God took 6 days to create the universe, and was tired at the end

I'm rather surprised you'd take Genesis so literally even in order to disparage it . . . :)

I have enjoyed our exchanges here, but I don't have the time to get into trading stock answers and knocking down straw men . . . I am forming the impression you get enjoyment from being disputatious, like my ten year old ;). (On one trip after a series of exchanges, I told her: if I said it's a horse, you'd say it's a cow. Which, of course, she proceded to do for the rest of the trip, and vice versa . . .)

215 posted on 12/06/2001 4:15:10 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: AMDG&BVMH; lexcorp
If God is there, he can be discovered, measured and quantified. As can Bigfoot, aliens, ghosts, poltergeists, Nazi moon bases, the Holy Grail King Arthur and all the rest.

This is a fundamental category error. God is not a thing in the same sense that created things are things, or even in the sense that imaginary things are things.

Every created thing is most fundamentally composed of its essence (what it is) and its act of existence (the fact that it exists). For example, created things like animals come into and pass out of existence. The fact that they exist at one time is not a fundamental part of what they are. I can know what a particular dog is without knowing whether it exists.

The same holds true for imaginary things. For example, a unicorn has an essence (it is a horse with a horn) which is separable from its existence or lack thereof.

God is altogether different. God's essence and act of existence is one, and it is being. God is Being. All other things are compounds of being and essence.

Thus, God transcends all categories. All other things participate in existence. God is existence.

God is One, True, Good and Beautiful. These are called "convertible terms" because they are all simply aspects of Being as understood by our limited minds.

God is perfect (he cannot be decomposed), therefore he has no parts. Therefore, he is a simple spiritual substance.

216 posted on 12/07/2001 6:34:15 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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