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To: verboten
The tactics you're seeing are the only tactics they know.

The most fundamental principle America stands for is that all men are created equal. Then America has a Bill of Rights which lists 10 freedoms America stands for. Then America has a Statue of Liberty that says we welcome oppressed people from all over the world.

These people instead advocate supporting an apartheid-like foreign regime, trashing the Bill of Rights, and turning away people who wish to come here to make a better future for themselves. We continually view gleeful advocacy of attacks on suspicion and speculation, annihilation of cities with nuclear weapons, mass murder, mass internments and deportations, trials without evidence, liberal use of torture, occupations of countries or their complete destruction, and undeclared wars against a substantial portion of the world.

This crowd is pushing for this country to throw out everything out America stands for and still expects people to support what they call "America."

None of these things are what America stands for, yet they persist in lying and claiming they support this country and its values.

The only thing they truly stand for are America's intervention in a Middle Eastern region which is contrary to its principles, and the consequences that have followed from its savage occupation of the people who have lived there for millenia.

Some of the things we may see near-term are firearms confiscation, surveillance everywhere, and crackdowns on people for relatively trivial breaches of laws. After all, it will be for our own protection.

Israel has elected a war criminal who has promised to intensify the violence his country is in, although like this crowd he is too stupid to recognize this. America has supported the likes of this war criminal for 50 years and now this crowd wants us to follow this war criminal down his road.

238 posted on 12/02/2001 10:15:43 AM PST by AGAviator
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To: AGAviator
its savage occupation its client's savage occupation
239 posted on 12/02/2001 10:17:32 AM PST by AGAviator
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To: AGAviator; Patria One
I had believed, in the end result, that the ONLY *intervention* in the Mideast would be one where both sides were given one of two options: Either BEHAVE, or BEHAVE, and if you don't like either of the options, then you must suffer the consequences.

The only reason that the USA would do ANYTHING is that the Islamist Empire as conceived in the sick minds of sociopaths like bin Laden constitutes an attack on MODERNITY, itself. THAT, I believe, is not going to be permitted. Never! I can foresee that very problematic times like ahead, and I perceive that many will lose their lives. Terrorism is NO longer a tenable activity on this planet, and it will be eradicated. However, unless I totally misunderstand you, I agree that both sides are highly mistaken if they believe that Americans, at large, care anything other than for the status and the future of America. I mean obviously that won't "show" at high levels of diplomacy, or face-2-face amongst the commoners. The Islamists, in my mind, are TOAST - as they comprise a clear & present danger to the Future of Western Civilization, and their love of death too dangerous... the CONTINUANCE of Western Civilization and the safety of the American nation is what will concern Americans this next decade. And anyone who gets in their way will be shocked at the reaction...

240 posted on 12/02/2001 7:27:40 PM PST by meridia
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