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To: Illbay
It is true that neither moslems nor Jews confess Jesus as the Son of God. To compare them and raise the issue of antagonism to islam but not to Judaism is false. For myself, I don't hate either of them for that, as you imply. If they want to deny the Christ that's between them and God.

I hate people who try to insinuate that I should deny the divinity of Christ also, and bow down to a false-front sham-god in a Potemkin "religion." And if I don't I can be abused, taxed, sold into slavery, killed, whatever.

No Jew would even think of such a thing in his worst moment. Only the spiritually corrupt who call themselves "moslems" are obscene enough to spew that forth.

284 posted on 11/30/2001 8:23:08 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
For myself, I don't hate either of them for that, as you imply.

I'm sorry, but I didn't imply that. I am simply saying that if ANYONE, not pointing fingers in particular, wants to use the rejection of Christ as the Messiah and the Son of God as a basis to "prove" that Islam is a "wicked" religion, then they're going to have to apply the same argument to Judaism.

I in fact am implying the opposite: You cannot fault either of them for the darkness of their doctrines. Christ invites all to come, eat and drink without money and without price. Some will refuse their invitation. It doesn't make me angry or fearful of them, it makes me sorrow.

294 posted on 12/01/2001 8:22:17 AM PST by Illbay
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To: hinckley buzzard
Here's an illustration for you of what I was pointing out:



California Cities Support Appeal of LDS Prayer Case

BURBANK, CALIFORNIA -- The city of Burbank is appealing a trial court ruling 
that an LDS prayer at one of its council meetings was unconstitutional since 
it mentioned "Jesus." Now 34 other California cities have joined Burbank's 
appeal, hoping to prove that prayers at government functions that mention 
Christ are constitutional.

The prayer was given November 23, 1999 by Bishop David King of The Church of 
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who had volunteered to give the prayer 
through the Burbank Ministerial Association, an ecumenical group that draws 
on religious leaders throughout the city for the council's prayers. 
Following LDS custom, the prayer ended in the name of Christ.

But that offended at least one person attending the meeting. Irv Rubin of 
the Jewish Defense League said "No Jew, no matter how liberal, can feel 
totally comfortable with a prayer that includes Jesus Christ. . . . It makes 
any non-Christian feel like an outsider." Rubin filed a lawsuit against the 
city, saying that his constitutional rights were violated by the prayer, and 
in November 2000 a Los Angeles Superior Court Judge issued an injunction 
prohibiting Burbank from "sectarian" prayers. Following a U.S. Supreme Court 
ruling, prayers may still be made by ministers, but the injunction prohibits 
them from being specific to any religion.

Attorneys representing the 34 California cities filed a 28-page brief 
Tuesday with the California state Court of Appeal, asking the court to 
overturn the ruling. "Dozens of cities and towns throughout California begin 
their meetings once a month, or twice a month as the case may be, with an 
invocation. Thirty-four of those municipalities are sufficiently alarmed by 
the trial court's opinion to join in this brief and urge reversal of that 
opinion," wrote attorney Peter Pierce in the brief.

Pierce also claims that the injunction that Rubin got actually violates the 
constitution, "The terms of the judgment violate the free speech rights of 
the volunteers, representing a multitude of faiths, who deliver the 
invocation at Burbank City Council meetings," he writes. But Rubin's 
attorney, Roger Jon Diamond, disagrees, "It does not violate the 1st 
Amendment for the state to hire a full-time chaplain to provide invocations 
or prayer before legislative meetings, but that's not our issue," said 
Diamond. "We did not challenge the invocation in general. We challenge the 
nature of the invocation. The answer is that there is probably no case right 
on point on either side. If there were, there would be no reason to litigate 
this." 


Source:
Cities flock to Burbank's defense
Los Angeles Times 24Nov01 T4

http://www.latimes.com/tcn/burbank/news/la-bl0006859nov24.story?coll=la%2Dtcn%2Dburbank%2Dnews 
By Ryan Carter

Oh, and note this article isn't from the LAT, which is merely the source, but from MormonNews, an Internet news service.

299 posted on 12/01/2001 1:49:07 PM PST by Illbay
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