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I believe in Allah and America
Wednesday November 28, 2001 | Arsalan Iftikhar

Posted on 11/29/2001 10:30:57 AM PST by EclipseVI

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To: JoJo the Clown
Just so you will know who the guilty party is, clown, I have hit the abuse button and reported you for extreme juvenile behavior and offensive language. Go away.
221 posted on 11/29/2001 8:43:37 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Facecriminal
FACECRIMINAL WROTE: ""We believe the world began with Adam and Eve"........Well that's all well and good, but the Bible teaches there were people here (6th day creation) long before God created Adam. In fact he created Adam on the 8th day AFTER he rested....so stick that in your hookah and smoke it."

I don't know what Bible you read, but mine talks about God creating mankind on the sixth day, then resting on the seventh. It then goes back and gives DETAILS about His creation of mankind (which He created on the SIXTH day).

The Bible isn't saying Adam and Eve were created on the EIGHTH day---it is just referring back to DETAILS of their creation on the SIXTH day.

222 posted on 11/29/2001 8:48:11 PM PST by Concerned
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To: medved
The Rabbis of the Jewish tribe in Yatrib (400 AD) taught that according to Torah a messenger was prophesied for the Arabs.
224 posted on 11/30/2001 2:57:19 AM PST by Patria One
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To: F.J. Mitchell
I see your lack of education hasn't hurt you none.
225 posted on 11/30/2001 2:59:02 AM PST by Patria One
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To: agrace
If you read the text carefully, you'll note that the Holy Spirit was always around, before Jesus. In that context you might revisit.

The Rabbis of the Jewish tribe in Yatrib (400 AD) prophesied that according to Torah a messenger would come for the Arabs.

226 posted on 11/30/2001 3:03:21 AM PST by Patria One
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To: agrace
The Koran also states that Jesus is the Messiah and the only way to get to heaven is to be like him.
227 posted on 11/30/2001 3:06:19 AM PST by Patria One
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To: Illbay
http://www.hyahya.org/19nations01.php

Thought this might interest you.

228 posted on 11/30/2001 3:07:12 AM PST by Patria One
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To: EclipseVI
Bump
To read later
(This should be a good thread
If it doesn't get pulled)
229 posted on 11/30/2001 3:31:02 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: EclipseVI
The rest was ok. Lost me on the Messiah part. No Muslim believes that Jusus Christ is "the Messiah", as the article states, though Muslims DO believe that Jesus Christ was another prophet of God.

The commentary has one really salient point, overlooked by many of us, the attackees on September 11: as I've been telling everybody all along, there are a lot of plain Muslim Joes in the Islamic world, who struggle with the same every day things the rest of us do. I'm not sure exactly how many of these plain ol' Joes actually kneel in prayer five times a day, but few will admit such a herasy, so there are no actual numbers on that.

230 posted on 11/30/2001 3:41:46 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: F.J. Mitchell
I wish I knew what JoJoTheClowns post #180 said. It must have been a real lulu. Come to think of it, ALL JoJo's posts must have been lulus.
231 posted on 11/30/2001 4:00:34 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Patria One
If you read the text carefully, you'll note that the Holy Spirit was always around, before Jesus. In that context you might revisit.

I said as much myself in the post - the Holy Spirit is found throughout the OT as well. Except I would disagree about anything being "before Jesus." John 1 denies that clearly. In scripture, the Spirit of Truth and the Holy Spirit are one and the same. Your narrative states at the end that the Spirit of Truth is in fact Mohammed, who has never been around before. The two concepts therefore cannot be reconciled.

The Rabbis of the Jewish tribe in Yatrib (400 AD) prophesied that according to Torah a messenger would come for the Arabs.

Please elaborate. Where in the Torah does it say that a messenger would come specifically for the Arabs? I do think it is pretty clear that the Torah (definitely the Tanakh) points to Jesus coming for all mankind.

You have not addressed the fact that Mohammed and Jesus were in no way similar in teachings or lifestyle.

232 posted on 11/30/2001 5:02:40 AM PST by agrace
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To: Patria One
The Koran also states that Jesus is the Messiah and the only way to get to heaven is to be like him.

I would love for someone to address this point - as I read through the entire thread, I saw that it has been mentioned by about 4 other people besides myself.

Based on the fact that the Koran denies that Jesus is the Son of God, the logical conclusion can be drawn that according to the Koran, Jesus lied about who His is. If the Koran holds that Jesus was a liar, how can Islam desire for people to be like Jesus? Are we to emulate a liar, and how would such actions please God? What does the Koran say about liars?

233 posted on 11/30/2001 5:08:26 AM PST by agrace
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To: Facecriminal
If I may step in here - no, God DID rest on the 7th day. What he is saying is that Chapter 1 deals with God's creation, which included man on the 6th day. Then Chapter 2 goes back and details the creation of man and animals a bit further, specifically those He put in the garden of Eden.

Have you ever read a book, such as an historical account, that starts out with an overview of the facts, then goes back to delve deeper into the story? Chapter 1 gives an overview, and Chapter 2 details the origins of God's relationship to man specifically as it began in the garden.

Seems like literary common sense to me.

234 posted on 11/30/2001 5:16:48 AM PST by agrace
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To: EclipseVI
I believe that Muslims all over the world have condemed the actions of the fanatics on 911.

No, not so. Some have. Why not all?

I will not stand up and be a suspect.

Nobody wants you to do so.

You misread, yet again.

The only things folks want you to do are:
separate yourself from the terrorists.
understand that because our nation is under attack, we are obviously far more suspicious of likely enemies within our borders (hence #1 above).
stop whining and acting a victim, you are not a victim.
Take some action to help Muslims and America. Whining does neither, indeed it works to the detriment of muslims.

237 posted on 11/30/2001 5:52:25 AM PST by Principled
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To: horsewhispersc
No browbeating intended, but I may have a historical perspective you don't yet have. Free thought isn't the issue. We see lots of disruptors come and (thank God) go. Two CLASSIC marks are:
  1. They join and IMMEDIATELY post a rash of PROVOCATIVE ARTICLES (not replies, but articles)
  2. When refuted in those articles, they seldom or never reply.
So far, this guy's reading from the script.

Dan

238 posted on 11/30/2001 6:03:29 AM PST by BibChr
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To: cdwright
You're preaching to the choir, buddy. :)
239 posted on 11/30/2001 6:08:20 AM PST by agrace
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To: Concerned
BIBCAR [sic] REPEATEDLY WROTE: "Moslems believe that..."

Did you mean to misspell my screenie, in a post faulting me for my spelling?

You (and many other people) drive me CRAZY!

Appears to me it's more of a putt than a drive. (c;

dictionary.com says "Moslem" is "Variant of Muslim." Merriam-Webster says the same.

Why not get worked up over something more substantive... like this Moslem claiming first that all gods are the same, that everyone prays to the same God, and then claiming that Allah is different from all gods and is the only true God? Or to his disruptor-like behavior?

Dan

240 posted on 11/30/2001 6:09:51 AM PST by BibChr
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