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To: Bosco
Thanks for not taking my head off.

I very often forget that not everyone lives in as nice a town as I. Even here in CR I don't like my wife to go to the grocery store after hours, it just isn't prudent to allow that anywhere.

The 2nd ammendment's most important job IMHO is to keep Taliban type things from happening in the USA. No Government is going to be able to strongarm the citizens if they all have rifles and shotguns. The conceal and carry issue is a much less important one. I can't think of anything to say to describe those many people out there I don't want to see carrying a gun, or even driving a car for that matter that wouldn't sound clichet, but maybe saying that makes my point.

12 posted on 11/29/2001 6:03:24 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: biblewonk; Bosco
Carry and be damned.

It is far better to be judged by twelve Ohioans than carried by six.

O, BTW: practice with it. Be able to get it out fast, shoot fast, and hit a tin can at 25 paces. Remember the perps always have the advantage, so be aware, and stay alive.

16 posted on 11/29/2001 6:15:13 AM PST by Francohio
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To: biblewonk
You're welcome.

I argue that there shouldn't need to be *any* law that prohibits me from being able to protect myself and my family once we set foot off of our property.

The police to a good job but they are not everywhere. If they were it would be a police state.

The Bill of Rights needs to be seen in the context that it was written - it's not a list of things that the government *can* do, it's a list of things that government *can't* do. That's why the ability to defend our lives from those who want to steal and murder is an inalienable right that comes from God, not from any government.

A government that purports to maintain that position is the definition of tyranny.

20 posted on 11/29/2001 6:27:26 AM PST by Bosco
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To: biblewonk
I can't think of anything to say to describe those many people out there I don't want to see carrying a gun, or even driving a car

Has anyone else ever noticed that you can substitute the word "cars" for the word "guns" in every argument the ballistophobes use?

Example: "High-powered cars should banned, because criminals use them."

"Why would you need a car? That's why we have public buses."

"Playing with toy cars causes childen to commit violence."

"You are x times more likely to kill someone you know with your car than a stranger."

Any other examples?

22 posted on 11/29/2001 6:43:16 AM PST by LexBaird
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To: biblewonk
The 2nd ammendment's most important job IMHO is to keep Taliban type things from happening in the USA.

One of the prerequisites for a "Taliban type thing" to happen is a complete reliance on government. Take away the right to defend yourself and you must rely on the government to do it for you.

The right of self defense is an intergral part of human dignity. Take it away, and what you have left is a servant or a slave.

33 posted on 11/29/2001 7:20:09 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: biblewonk
biblewonk said: "Even here in CR I don't like my wife to go to the grocery store after hours, it just isn't prudent to allow that anywhere. "

So have you given up 12 hours of the day to the predators or is it just 8? There are disgusting neighborhoods in liberal states that are unsafe 24 hours a day. The inhabitants are denied the means and the encouragement to protect themselves.

48 posted on 11/29/2001 9:21:43 AM PST by William Tell
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To: biblewonk
"I can't think of anything to say to describe those many people out there I don't want to see carrying a gun"

Extend your own logic, eh? "How does a concealed gun make a perp think anything? It's concealed."

IOW, don't sweat it, because if you can't see it, it won't have any effect on you! Remember, "It's concealed"!

81 posted on 11/30/2001 2:09:40 PM PST by Don Joe
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