Trial begins in challenge to Ohio's concealed-weapons ban

Columbus Dispatch ^ | 29 November 2001 | Associated Press

[newgeezer]

My sole purpose in joining and retaining membership in the NRA is to defend the 2nd Amendment.

(Note to NRA detractors, if any: Please back up your claims with documented evidence.)

[Tarzantheape]

I had a permit in VA for several years...

Louisiana has had the law for several years now...I can't recall ever seeing where a permit holder committed a firearms related crime either place.

[always vigilant]

So what you're indicating by that statement is the 2nd amendment is null and void and susceptible to the whims of petty politicians since God, in your opinion, does not grant us the absolute right to defend ourselves. Your argument can be taken as “since the government doesn’t want us to defend ourselves with firearms than it must be Gods will”.

If there is no right to self defense from the gang bangers, muggers, rapist via use of a carried handgun then there is no right to self defense from the terrorists of the world with an AR15. Based on your logic it doesn’t work both ways.

Cheers!!!

[Shooter 2.5]

There is about 50,000 murders in this country every year. I don't recall government officials being part of those murders. I have been robbed twice on the street. No government official has ever been anything except polite to me. A kid driving a car was shot in the face a block from my house. I never heard of the government doing something like that in my neighborhood. An elderly lady was almost shot in the head at the hardware store that I go to every week. Nothing by the government has happened like that. My truck was broken into and the government didn't do it.

I am not paranoid and I like this neighborhood. The CCW laws in this country have to change in order so all citizens like the cab drivers, cashiers, and people who work nights can come home at night safe and sound.

[FOMTY]

If we win, does the lame proposed concealed carry law become irrelevant? Could the citizens of Ohio exercise our constitutional rights or would that only be possible in Hamilton county?

[biblewonk]

There is about 50,000 murders in this country every year.

That's not correct, there are much fewer than the 41,000 traffic fatalities.

I have been robbed twice on the street.

Sorry to hear that but the government can't protect people who throw themselves into moving trucks either. I don't know your circumstances but I have to wonder on what street and at what time of day.

A kid driving a car was shot in the face a block from my house.

How would CCW have helped him or anyone from a sucker punch/shooting? It won't.

An elderly lady was almost shot in the head at the hardware store that I go to every week.

CCW won't help her either.

Nothing by the government has happened like that. My truck was broken into and the government didn't do it.

So was mine, twice. Again, CCW is no help is it?

[William Tell]

biblewonk said: "Even here in CR I don't like my wife to go to the grocery store after hours, it just isn't prudent to allow that anywhere. "

So have you given up 12 hours of the day to the predators or is it just 8? There are disgusting neighborhoods in liberal states that are unsafe 24 hours a day. The inhabitants are denied the means and the encouragement to protect themselves.

[Saundra Duffy]

Prayers & best wishes for the patriots who defend our right to keep and bear arms (concealed or otherwise). For victory & freedom!!!

[biblewonk]

I can't stand the attitude that "I have a right to go any GD place and GD time I want", which seems to prevail on CCW threads. You can think you have that right all you want. The bible doesn't give it nor does reality.

[spunkets]

"How does a concealed gun make a perp think anything? It's concealed."

It's a suprise! The perp will either give up, or be killed to end his acts of mayhem. It's really simple. There's no need to anylize it any further. If there was then the "official authorities", that have prevented citizens from defending themselves, would not do it.

[spunkets]

"Again, CCW is no help is it?"

It's not your decision to make! The decision belongs to the individual man who contemplates whether, or not, he wants a gun handy.

[muggs]

I can't stand the attitude that "I have a right to go any GD place and GD time I want", which seems to prevail on CCW threads.

Not everyone is blessed to live in or work in nice neighborhoods.

Cincinnat has some of the best teaching hospitals anywhere, but to get to any of them, you have to go through the worst, most dangerous parts of the city. Most people would choose not to to go to the hospital if it wasn't necessary but sometimes it can't be avoided.

[spunkets]

"The bible doesn't give it nor does reality."

The Bible say's that all men have a Free Will. The guidelines to the exercise of that Free Will are the 10 commandments, summarized by Jesus as two: Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. You can't love your neighbor if you don't love yourself. If you don't defend your own life or the life of others and prevent others from doing so, then you love neither God, or others.

[Shooter 2.5]

The kid that was shot in the face didn't have anyone chase down the shooter. The lady in the parking lot was struggling with the person with the gun. When I was robbed, I could have stopped both if I was able to just display a gun. All of the incidences could have led to the aprehension of the criminals. Three of the incidences would never have happened if I or the lady had a gun.

[muggs]

Thanks for the link Deadeye but I can't get it to work.

I will relay the info you gave me to my relative.

[newgeezer]

> I have been robbed twice on the street.

Sorry to hear that but the government can't protect people who throw themselves into moving trucks either.

Maybe I missed something. Who said anything about the government's protection? The point is, the streets would be safer if the thug wasn't so sure there's no one around (if not his potential victim) to cap him.

I don't know your circumstances but I have to wonder on what street and at what time of day.

If it's not my neighborhood and it's dark, ... Well, the night time is just for hoot owls and horse theives, right? If an invalid needs a nurse's house call in the middle of the night, but he happens to live in a bad neighborhood, the nurse should just say 'no.'

What if it's my own neighborhood and the middle of the day? I can either take my chances (throw myself into the path of your moving truck), or be a prisoner in my own home. All because the nanny state stacks the odds in the crooks' favor.

[Deadeye Division]

Hmmm. Works ok for me. Try this:
http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/press-releases/NewCincinnatiSuit.htm

[biblewonk]

It's not your decision to make! The decision belongs to the individual man who contemplates whether, or not, he wants a gun handy.

These types of decisions will tend to be made collectively in this country, so in a way, it is my decision to make, and yours.

[William Tell]

biblewonk said: 'I can't stand the attitude that "I have a right to go any GD place and GD time I want", which seems to prevail on CCW threads. '

One wrong turn on a recent trip from my home to my sister's home put me on city streets in one of the highest crime areas of Kalifornia. A similar incident happened to a family traveling in southern Kalifornia and resulted in death for family members.

Another family in Kalifornia suffered the deaths of several children in their home at the hands of a maniac with a pitchfork.

Most prudent people that I know own fire extinguishers but have little expectation that their home will burn down.