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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Howlin
near had a riot over there; they can't even get along with themselves

lol

601 posted on 11/28/2001 10:26:18 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Jim Robinson
Generally, I think free republic is great. Although, it consumes more of my time than it should, keeping me in particular from getting to my health club as much as I should go. I have, however, been very disturbed by some of the recent deletions. The one that I particularly remember was that, just Monday, of G. Edward Griffin's post "A Grand Deception?" the purpose of which deletion I was completely unable to understand.
602 posted on 11/28/2001 10:28:36 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: Howlin
Nobody thinks it's arbitrary except the person who gets banned. The moderators have to put up with a lot of crap; try not to take it so personal.
603 posted on 11/28/2001 10:28:44 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jim Robinson
At post 590 + we will see who reads this, but the people you mention in the post were always obviously whackos.

You have been much too tolerant for a long time of people who have rather obvious mental or personal problems.

These fellows should have been dumped after enough posts (not many) to see they are crazy.

This is the worst aspect of Free Republic. Too many crazy people who post (typical for the internet, I know).

604 posted on 11/28/2001 10:30:07 PM PST by tallhappy
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To: Howlin
Ooh, a new fundraising strategy. Degrade and belittle them until they donate! That'll bring in the dollars!
605 posted on 11/28/2001 10:30:23 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: alcuin
How good can a pamphlet be when it's free?

that reminds me of a song I wrote. I never did find someone to sing it or put it to music.

606 posted on 11/28/2001 10:30:34 PM PST by GeronL
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To: k2blader
Is there a cut-off Date of Membership for having a differing opinion?

Sure, nobody who registered after I did is allowed to diagree with me!! LOL.

607 posted on 11/28/2001 10:31:02 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Aurelius
keeping me in particular from getting to my health club as much as I should go

get a treadmill powered computer and the problem is solved.

608 posted on 11/28/2001 10:31:48 PM PST by GeronL
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To: TKEman
Seldom does so much BS show up in a single post. Get over yourself.
609 posted on 11/28/2001 10:32:07 PM PST by beckett
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To: GeronL
Oh, I'm not kidding. From what I hear they argue all the time; why, they even try to ban Arator from his OWN forum.

Early this year, somebody signed on as ME, using Howlin in the screenname. Well, you can just imagine the uproar that caused over there.......LOL.

And despite being called by a personal friend of his within the first two hours that the person was pretending to be me and being ASSURED that it wasn't me, Arator let it go on for almost two whole days, pretending he didn't know whether it was me or not. He knew for a fact that is wasn't me, but he let them all go crazy for almost two days.

He is a liar and a fraud.

610 posted on 11/28/2001 10:32:08 PM PST by Howlin
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To: BADJOE
$80,000 or bust. : )

Somehow I seriously doubt this will be a bust.

611 posted on 11/28/2001 10:32:26 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: all
Well, I've read five hundred and eighty some odd replies. Looks like we're currently running about 580 to 3 in favor of keeping FR on the air. Now, mind you, I never had any intention of shutting this place down in the first place, just wanted to flush out some of the naysayers. Not many of the AFers showed up tonight, maybe we'll hear more from them tomorrow. I'd really like to see them publicly state their charges against me. If someone is ready to accuse me of fraud, then I say we should get it on.

Also, by the way, I did not mean to imply that FR is in trouble financially. The FReepers have always been there to cover our costs through donations. Thank you all very much. And thanks to all who have suggested alternative ways to raise money, but, I believe we will have to continue as we are until the lawsuit is resolved. We cannot sell subscriptions or advertising or be involved in any commercial transactions at this time.

Thank you all for your votes of confidence and supporting comments. Also, thanks very much for the donations. Didn't mean to jump the gun on BadJoe. This thread was not posted as a fundraiser. Was just trying to get all this so-called fraud stuff out in the open.

Regards,

Jim Robinson

612 posted on 11/28/2001 10:32:33 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Howlin
To: Howlin

Nobody thinks it's arbitrary except the person who gets banned. The moderators have to put up with a lot of crap; try not to take it so personal.

603 posted on 11/28/01 11:28 PM Pacific by Howlin

Okay, now you are telling yourself not to take it personally. =o)

613 posted on 11/28/2001 10:33:00 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Torie
I do miss you

I miss you too, Torie. What, you are a "he"? I always thought you were a "she". LOL.

Anyway, it's great FReepers like you that have kept me coming back to FR despite the abuse. But, my last thread pulling and banishment was simply the last straw. I will not waste my time with this site if I (and others) are not free to post their views here. Life is too short to put up with such unmitigated crap.

I tried my best to change things here, to no avail. I give up. Jim Rob can let his forum die a slow death of strangulation by censorship if he wants. It's his forum to rule or ruin. It always has been. All I know is that I personally can no longer tolerate being abused, bullied, censored, or banished by him or his "Anonymoderator" thugs. Nor can I tolerate watching my FReeper friends being likewise abused.

Free Republic is not the only conservative forum out there. Given its draconian censorship policies, it is not even the best one anymore. It's time for all freedom-loving FReepers to demand an end to the abuse here and be prepared to move on to better forums if the abuse continues. I am. I simply am not going to put up with it anymore.

614 posted on 11/28/2001 10:33:22 PM PST by Arator
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To: sirgawain
I'm not asking anybody for money; I'm just saying that if you say right off you're never going to give any money, you pretty much lose any "moral ground" you might have.

If you think you deserve to be here free, that Free Republic is your God given right or a right promised you under the Constitution, be honest enough to say so.

615 posted on 11/28/2001 10:33:56 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jim Robinson
Free Republic is obviously a Major Asset to our country, and people. It is a Resource.

The practical utility, and the clarifying effect it has on the informed mentality of our Nation cannot be quantified. The range of analysis offered by the awesome scope of experience and thinking of the Posters -- all those minds brought to bear on issue after issue -- is incalculably valuable in so many ways. It keeps us aware, it keeps us safe, it gives us a forum in which to express ourselves, and test our viewpoints, suspicions and conclusions against so many others.

King Solomon collected the ancient "sayings of the wise," -- proverbs, -- which I think illustrate my point: "Where there is no counsel, the people fall; but in the multitude of counselors there is safety," and "As iron sharpens iron, so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend."

Works for me. Long Live Free Republic.com!

616 posted on 11/28/2001 10:34:23 PM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, now I know you're the boss: why else would the "ALL" work for you and not for us? :-)
617 posted on 11/28/2001 10:35:17 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for posting this thread.
618 posted on 11/28/2001 10:35:54 PM PST by diotima
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To: GeronL
There is a bike-powered one at the club, but I haven't been able to access my email on it. I might be able to access FR, never thought to try.
619 posted on 11/28/2001 10:36:10 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"[I]t's the fair use claim under which full text articles from other sites are posted here. We cannot use those articles as a lure to a site which is charging fees or bringing in ad revenue."

First, profit motive is just part of the "purpose" factor from the four-point fair use checklist. It's important, yes, but it is by no means the be-all and end-all you make it out to be.

Second, the lack of a payment enforcement mechanism is not the same thing as the lack of a profit motive. Consider a busker standing on a street corner playing Britney Spears songs in front of an open guitar case: Just because he can't force his audience to pay doesn't mean he lacks a profit motive, and he can most definitely be sued for copyright violation. The current FR business model is identical to busking, and enjoys no special copyright exemption.

Third, to whatever extent this concern is valid, it can be handled easily: Charge for the right to post, not the right to view. Then the articles cannot be considered a "lure" for anything.

620 posted on 11/28/2001 10:36:48 PM PST by Fabozz
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