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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: diotima; Inspector Harry Callahan
"I am going to speak out in Harry's defense on this one. I have NEVER seen Harry step over the line as far as civility goes. Of course I am not on the forum 24/7, only 23/6 *g*. Although people tend to classify Harry as "ecentric", I have never seen him return some of the hostility and nastiness directed at him for expressing his views. This is my opinion.

I think Harry took exception to what he perceived to be a public mischaracterization of his behavior here."

That's cool........I understand. I don't want either you or Harry to think that I'm attempting to mischaracterize him or his actions; quite the contrary. I made it a point to even say "I'm not accusing" in my reply above. Think of my reply to Harry as "theorizing" why he might have been banned.........or just a lengthy question as to why, that's all. :) Like I said, I'd just as soon see him back here.

1,421 posted on 11/29/2001 9:38:25 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Jim Robinson
Several points:

1. Why can't FR be restructured legally so that you and your family are not personally liable in litigation. This should be doable. Yo and your family shoiuld not have to worry aboutlegal exposure, and you are all entitled to be well compensated for your time and energy...

2. Have you reconsidered making FR a for-profit? From my perspective, it wouldn't make a difference to me, and I am sure that advertising could help to defray much or all of the costs....

3. I believe, as we discussed several years ago, that if you maintain the present status..(i.e. nonprofit)..then you ( FR) have to be transparent..and all costs and contributions should be displayed....

4.As a non-profit status..consider a basic two step funding..an annual charge of say $24..that's $2.00 per month...no one could object to that, and you could consider running the fundraisers as well, those who care to, are are able to, can contribute more........

If people would not be willing to contribute $24.00 per year for the privilege of participating in this community, then we don't need them..Also, since you will have everyone's credit card on file, you can institute a flat charge of $5 or $10 for each vanity post.....much of the bandwith is wasted by idiotic, even asinine, vanity posts, ( i.e. those which are not sourced from news websites )and just scrolling through them takes time.....so if someone wants to "self-publish" on FR..then can pay a small fee to do so....and if it curtails vanities by half..that saves nbandwidth and the site will be more productive, and user friendly.........

1,422 posted on 11/29/2001 9:40:02 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Howlin
I'm always amused to see these welfare queens who claim to be 'rightwing' or 'further to the right than everyone else' and who claim to be 'defending conservative values'... demanding the right to take someone else's hard work and use someone else's property as they wish, demanding the right to know details of a someone else's company in which they have no personal stake and in which they have not invested.
1,423 posted on 11/29/2001 9:40:18 AM PST by piasa
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To: fallclassicus
I am the person that I refer to in this post. I have located a lawyer who will be filing a suit very soon

Your lawyer isn't by any chance Larry Klayman? We're all waiting to hear about your so-called lawsuit, shortly.

1,424 posted on 11/29/2001 9:40:52 AM PST by Silly
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To: Arator
How on earth have you remained unbanished?

I'm not really sure. I'm fairly certain JimRob knows who I am, but I haven't really been openly derisive to anyone since having reincarnated myself.

Maybe JimRob just harbors a touching sense of nostalgia for people like me who've been posting here since FR's first year of existence.

I saw Pardek and Poohbah hunting you down like hounddogs on a thread not so long ago

Those ineffectual dweebs! They couldn't get themselves banned from a Bill Clinton rally! How the hell are they going to stifle a juggernaut like me?

Not to mention, my companies have numerous sites with many ISP's, and many others on dedicated trunk lines all over the planet. I can pop back up as needed whenever, and as whomever, I wish to. Maybe they just understand the complete pointlessness of what may well be their deserved objections to my electrifying presence!

;-/

1,425 posted on 11/29/2001 9:42:17 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: Z2
"Yeah, drop right in 'SHOW, and regale us with plugs for your radio show. Who's the talent scout for that deal, anyway? Do you have any idea how much it costs, or how it gets funded?"

Asking TLBSHOW about funding for the radio show is absolutely hilarious!

Oh, my sides!

1,426 posted on 11/29/2001 9:42:34 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Greetings from sunny Siberia!

Dasvidania, comrade! ;^)

1,427 posted on 11/29/2001 9:43:03 AM PST by Arator
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To: Hugh Akston
I wonder if this guy/"victim" ever heard of statute of limitations on the alleged transgression...the bet he can do is say "A year or two ago..."

Liberal disruptor....

1,428 posted on 11/29/2001 9:44:02 AM PST by diotima
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To: elfman2
FR can't be a 501(c)(3). Ask me why and I'll tell you.
1,429 posted on 11/29/2001 9:44:18 AM PST by Z2
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
"I've been in the Land of the Banned."

Been there, done that...wasn't as fun as I figgered it'd be.

FReegards and hope you stick around awhile, my FRiend...MUD

1,430 posted on 11/29/2001 9:44:33 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: Z2
ok

ATTACK THE ATTACK DOGS WITH TLBSHOW

DEC 6 INTERVIEW WITH JEFF HEAD!

1,431 posted on 11/29/2001 9:45:30 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
ROFL! Where would we be without our sense of humor?
1,432 posted on 11/29/2001 9:45:46 AM PST by Z2
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To: Arator
In retrospect, knowing now what I know about her unstable posting personality, I think that JenLart herself was probably the fake Howlin, among others. She is one sick puppy.

Now exactly why would any of us believe that now? I mean, after all, you KNEW for a fact that HOWLINFR wasn't me, and even after you had been directly contacted by more than one person, friends of yours, and told it wasn't me, you still posted the following:

From: Arator Jun-3 4:51 pm
To: ALL (1 of 43)
My initial instincts were that HOWLINFR was a parody of the worst aspects of Guilder-think. But, after going through and carefully excising her personal attacks, I am now no longer certain. There was an intensity of passion in her posts which would be difficult to fake. So, I offer the question up to the forum as a whole. Do you think HOWLINFR was the REAL Howlin or a Guilder parody?

I look forward to hearing opinions, arguments, and evidences on this question from all concerned. So, let the debate continue!

I repeat, you are a liar and a fraud.

1,433 posted on 11/29/2001 9:46:02 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Z2
If you could read, you would see that Bob answered the question of RadioFR funding. He pays for it out of his pocket.
1,434 posted on 11/29/2001 9:47:16 AM PST by diotima
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To: fallclassicus; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
I'll be recieving a record of all contributions (through discovery motions) so I will know who is stingy out there.
You are obviously not a lawyer. You will not be getting a list of donors, that can’t have any relevance to your suit, should it ever be filed.

The only reason you could be posting that is to try to discourage folks from giving. A rather dishonest and disingenuous post. I don’t have a problem with you coming here and spouting your anger all you like, but lies like that shouldn’t be tolerated, and I suspect and hope you will soon be banned for your dishonesty.

patent  +AMDG

1,435 posted on 11/29/2001 9:47:46 AM PST by patent
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To: fallclassicus
Gee, when the PAW, NOW, ACLU and GLAAD (etc., etc., etc.) threaten networks and encourage others to boycott or protest any show, policy, person they disagree with ideologically they get a free ride. Publicity, "legitimacy" from the press, loud representation in DC. Larry (Mr. Hustler) can sue and threaten, Alec Baldwin can go on national TV and encourage his viewing audience (WAY bigger than even FR) to stone Henry Hyde and his family, Spike Lee can encourage his fans to kill Charlton Heston, but your feelings were hurt when some American citizens protested at your workplace and you lost a job? We protest the Professors who blame America for 9-11, we protest voluntarily, and in rather small numbers, to have a voice in this great nation. All the power of the lefts' institutional control, the universities, the media, cannot erase the truth. You and the Trail Lawyers can suck money out of a rock, I'm sure. But no matter how hypocritical, underhanded and greedy you get, you cannot silence the truth, or our voices.
1,436 posted on 11/29/2001 9:49:57 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: patent
Gee, could you thought of a few more moderators to call on? Was your mom busy or something?
1,437 posted on 11/29/2001 9:51:41 AM PST by Ratatoskr
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Greetings from sunny Siberia!

I should add: 'Tis better to breath free along the sunny (but frigid) shores of Lake Baykal then suffer some Neo-con's/Bushie's/GOPparty hack's/goose-stepping globalist goon's oppressions either in the FReeper Kremlin (FAB/"Anonymoderator" central) or the censorious conformity- inducing Gulag, otherwise known as "Free Republic".

1,438 posted on 11/29/2001 9:51:57 AM PST by Arator
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To: Arator
Well, it certainly isn't nessesary for more to jump onto this issue, but your post's comments demanded my honest assesment. As some know, I have sprung to your defense a time or two, which I only state as others may not be aware of that stance. Your opinion is developed based on your personal experience and perception and you are entitled to it. As a disagreeing aquaintance, I must differ on the following:

Well, I think Jim Rob was hoping to invite the worst sort of AFing behavior onto this thread to gin up and "us vs. them" hysteria and spook the herd into a stampede of mindless reflexive donating.

I disagree. The issues of finances and integraty had come up with a few posters and it appears to me that Jim wanted to bring it all out in the open. Then, so that those who had raised the issues wouldn't claim banning or post delition was an effort of his to hide the issue, he opened the board. In wanting to confront it head-on, as a responsible man addressing a character issue would do, he opened the forum to those that might be noted for their absence and contribution to the discussion. I suspect that there are many days he is tired of this hobby turned juggernaut.

Unfortunately (for Jim Rob), I think that perceptive FReepers are realizing that us "AFers" are really just FReepers like themselves who have been mugged (or watched their FReeper friends be mugged) by FR's abusive management far too many times and, though banished, had the resourcefulness to maintain contact with our FReeper friends rather than slip quietly into post-banishment oblivion like so many others.

We do know that many of you guys are just past freepers. IMHO, Jim's macro, larger, view of the management of his site has often put individuals in the unfortunant situation that their micro, individual, view of their participation was misunderstood or at cross purposes to Jim's management. Any of us that have had a post or article deleted have the immediate emotion and reaction to draw upon, in an experience like this site, that is personal--like participation in an extended family gathering. Like that gathering, we sometimes side with the second cousin we never liked when Grandma goes over the top.

Again, IMHO, outside of Jim's macro task, his personal, micro, tendancy appears to me to be to visit and converse with past freepers, both in defending himself on the net at-large, but also because he knows that there are those that would be his associates if circumstances were different and he, by his macro actions, has cut them off from something they valued. If he didn't have a wisp of that, I think he would just ignore the issue and the individuals.

Perhaps, I am just pollyanna, thinking the best of people to easily. If that is true, then I will keep thinking that way because it enables me to both miss you (except for your most relentless moments) and value what I find here.

I hope your Christmas is grand; mine is looking to be a great one.

1,439 posted on 11/29/2001 9:52:11 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: patent
No I am not a lawyer, that's why I have hired one (I guess it is not hiring if he is working for free- although I bet he is really interested in publicity), but the assets of this page are very much a concern of mine. Please give generously. And remember, if you were thinking about being stingy- your contributions are about to be a part of the public record.
1,440 posted on 11/29/2001 9:52:17 AM PST by fallclassicus
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