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Ban human cloning: We shouldn’t farm babies for body parts
Manchester Union Leader ^ | November 28, 2001

Posted on 11/28/2001 2:26:58 AM PST by billorites

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Creepy is right.
1 posted on 11/28/2001 2:26:58 AM PST by billorites
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But if they were able to clone without the brain ... just the stem for life support, would that be as evil as this all appears on first look?

Makes me wonder..... and changes the dynamic in a lot of ways.

2 posted on 11/28/2001 2:37:57 AM PST by JSteff
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To: billorites
That's the big problem.

Keeping 2 or 3 clones in a pen in the backyard for organ transplant purposes.

I bet the PETA people will have no problem with it.

3 posted on 11/28/2001 3:37:36 AM PST by johnny7
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To: billorites
I've said it before and I'll say it again:



Isn't it obvious? This is a CHILD, not a CHOICE!
4 posted on 11/28/2001 6:43:14 AM PST by Dimensio
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they won't have to do that you can just clone an individual organ.
5 posted on 11/28/2001 3:24:07 PM PST by weikel
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To: billorites
We shouldn’t farm babies for body parts

Too late. We just publically funded the NIH, which is using an existing line of stem cells to research diseases. An existing line of stem cells is duplicated over and over so some claim that these aren't really body parts. But the fact remains tht the original line was ripped out of the bodies of human beings harvested [farmed] and then killed for no other purpose but to benefit those already living.

When we compromised on stem cells and called it victory, we shouldn't be surprised over cloning and other morally abhorrent things that spring up out of the part of the scientific community that is radically atheist.

7 posted on 11/30/2001 8:04:11 PM PST by JMJ333
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Methods that fail to respect the dignity and value of the person must always be avoided--in particular of attempts at human cloning with a view to obtaining organs for transplants.

These techniques, insofar as they involve the manipulation and destruction of human embryos, are not morally acceptable, even when their proposed goal is good in itself.

What is technically possible is not for that reason alone morally admissible.

8 posted on 11/30/2001 8:09:27 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: billorites
Let's talk about how creepy.

Cloning technology is unlikely to result in the births of many cloned persons; no society so utterly consumed with its own wants is likely to be interested primarily in sharing the world with any new life. So even if we can set aside most of the Brave New World images of stultified servant classes, raised as property (though no doubt there will be an distasteful but lucrative trade in made-to order sex slaves, sterilised for both convenience's sake and to prevent accidental inbreeding) there remains the fact that the pulsing contents of many a test tube and petri dish will be held as property of the powerful.

9 posted on 11/30/2001 8:11:49 PM PST by Romulus
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Factum est illud, fieri infectum non potest. -Platus
10 posted on 11/30/2001 9:38:15 PM PST by pcl
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To: Romulus
We are an individual human being in the body first at conception and remain an individual human being in the body until death, artificially or naturally arrived at, along the continuum that is an individual human lifetime in the body begun at conception.

Slavery is unacceptable in an advanced civilization ... or is it? If it's enslavement for only a short time period, then harvest and kill the enslaved, is that okay?... They're only a few hundred cells.

11 posted on 11/30/2001 9:49:26 PM PST by MHGinTN
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Slevery is slavery. Either way it amounts to the same thing: asserting control over another's life to convert it to one's benefit -- whether physical or economic is a distinction without a difference.
12 posted on 11/30/2001 9:55:34 PM PST by Romulus
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But the selfish will never admit that. You would think those who decry the treatment of black people and Indian people would be first in line to condem cloning ... perhaps they just don't see it.
13 posted on 11/30/2001 9:59:04 PM PST by MHGinTN
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perhaps they just don't see it.

You are too kind. They see it. A great many can no longer be reached by education, having so hardened their hearts that they comprehend perfectly what they are about, and no longer care.

Once you live in a society in which death is routinely advanced as a solution for all political problems, it's a snap to move from there to the personal sphere.

"War is hell," they chant to themselves over and over as they stride into the abortion mills.

14 posted on 11/30/2001 10:11:07 PM PST by Romulus
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Do we really want American doctors to violate the Hippocratic oath and begin viewing some lives as more morally worthy than others?

They already do, each and every time they rip a baby out of the womb.

15 posted on 11/30/2001 10:13:46 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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And their biggest champion, the criminal enterprise democrat party, even has the inhumanity to advance as their slogan 'a woman's right to choose a serial killer' when trying to get their latest ghoul elected.
16 posted on 11/30/2001 10:16:17 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: pcl
Angus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi: miserere nobis.
17 posted on 12/02/2001 5:33:24 PM PST by JMJ333
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Cogitationis poenam nemo patitur.
18 posted on 12/02/2001 6:35:25 PM PST by pcl
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"O Salutaris Hostia. Quae caeli padis Ostium: Bella premunt hostilia, Da robur, fer auxilium."--Aquinas
19 posted on 12/02/2001 8:16:17 PM PST by JMJ333
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Quae caeli pandis ostium:
Bella premunt hostilia,
Da robur, fer auxilium.

Uni trinoque Domino
Sit sempiterna gloria,
Qui vitam sine termino
Nobis donet in patria.

I can still hear the deep, mellow voice of a particular Christian Brother singing this Mass. It is one of my better memories of the Catholic Church. The sound of the song is the good memory. The meaning is a different story. It is so pleading. Sort of like a dog begging for a biscuit. If I were God hearing this I would tell him to go solve his own problem and stop being such a sycophant. (IMHO)

20 posted on 12/02/2001 11:21:00 PM PST by pcl
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