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To: barf
OK, now to the second thing I'm going to prove to you. Let me start by saying I have accused you of proving nothing. That actually isn't entirely correct. You've proven you're not an aeronautical engineer. You've proven you know little to nothing about radar, chaff, and military operations. You've proven you can't read a simple chart or plot X/Y coordinates on a chart. You've proven that in order for a theory to be valid in your mind, it requires no proof. But most of all, you've proven that you are a colossal ass, and would rather call people names then argue the merits of your own theory. So to help you understand that anyone can be an asshole, and that it doesn't do anything to convince anyone your theory holds any water, I'm going to put myself in your shoes and respond in kind.

Before you actually kick the bucket, there are a few things you should know. Do you realize that the plaque you got after 16 years of working for a firm was their way of telling you that you are an anal retentive, nitnoid obsessed with minutia, more suitable for interacting with a zillion zeroes, than human beings. Maybe the reason they knew how long you'd been with the company down to the zillionth decimal point is because each one of them was counting every second until the day you left. Hey, at least you know you had a hand in engineering some domes. Of course, no one else ever will, unless you tell them. Ever walk up to a cool building and see a plaque that says "This Building Engineered By Barf"? But since you've spent an entire life without getting any recognition for your brilliance (yeah, you told us how you designed a cool orange box, and a ramjet and a "chaff-type" of corner reflector) maybe you can use a tragedy like TWA 800 to gin up a name for yourself. After all, most of the people you correspond with on the subject have no idea what they are talking about either. All you have to do is push a theory like it's a proven fact, and most people will believe you. Heck, it worked for Micheal Rivero. Why not Barf? If someone with more knowledge on the subject gets in your way, you can just call them a lot of names and accuse them of being a government shill. In the meantime, you can completely avoid providing any proof for your theory, because everyone knows the government lies, but why would a guy who spent time in the Air Force rising to the grand rank of Captain, make anything up?

There. Do you now believe everything I say? Did I improve the credibility of my argument? I didn't think so. It doesn't work for you either.

369 posted on 12/18/2001 7:20:31 AM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke
I can almost see tears in your eyes due to frustration. I am truly sorry to have hurt your feelings. I was not aware that you are so sensitive. You and Elmer are somewhat alike. He saves every post ever written. I had forgotten much of what you wrote due to lack of importance. Secretly, I feel that Elmer is one person whom I've met in forums whom I would like to know socially. He and I have much in common and could hoist a few together. I abuse Elmer so much but I am sure that he knows that this is a game where we kid one another. It is just one old fart against another 'older' old fart. Elmer has good qualities that I ignore. But seriously, you should not take what we write to heart. No one is going to jail over what we put into a forum. This is a fun break for me away from writing editorials which may give me an income periodically. But, you should lean back and close your eyes and think of being broadsided by another plane. (I almost ran into a C-54 over Japan from the rear quarters of a T-33 while doing aerobatics) I don't know how I have lived so long on this giant billiard table called Earth. This was nearly 50 years ago and without your mentioning flying, I likely would have erased it from my memory. But in closing, I didn't know how sensitive you were and I apologize for hurting your feelings. Nothing we write should be taken too seriously. But if one cannot stand the heat, he should stay out of the kitchen.
377 posted on 12/18/2001 9:04:37 AM PST by barf
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To: Rokke
You left out that the USAF asked me to work at the ATIC. I was an incredibly stupid aeronautical engineer in the reserves at the time. I was on active duty for only a part of my life, nowhere near a career. Like Washington, I was in during a war and out afterwards.
389 posted on 12/18/2001 12:09:41 PM PST by barf
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