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To: barf
According to your Reply #280, your partial sequential timeline for your sled towing P-3 accidental U.S. Navy shootdown appears to be approximately as follows:

20:31:12 U.S. Navy hybrid SM-2 missile with dual mode homing impacts TWA 800 at 13,800 feet.

20:31:47 Massive Fireball explodes in the falling wreckage at 7500 feet.

20:31:43 Wreckage begins hitting the surface.

What was the approximate Flight time of the U.S. Navy hybrid SM-2 missile with dual mode homing from launch until impact with Flight 800 at 13,800 feet at 8:31:12? A meaningful answer from you will clarify the approximate launch time you are contending in the sequential timeline of your hypothesis.

You earlier alleged that at least one witness saw a fiery streak from that alleged U.S. Navy hybrid SM-2 missile with dual mode homing missile during that flight time so a meaningful answer from you to that question will also clarify for the readers approximately how long any such witness would have had to make that alleged fiery streak observation.

Then, of course, there's the slight matter of proving that there was any such witness by your providing the readers with the his/her name and the specific reference source URL you are supposedly relying on. It should go without saying that any such witness report has to be sufficiently detailed to rule out the fiery streak dramatized by witness Meyer in his own press graphic that also includes the Massive Fireball explosion you have acknowledged did not occur until long after the alleged shootdown of the 747 by the alleged U.S. Navy hybrid SM-2 missile with dual mode homing at 13,800 feet at 8:31:12.

Witness Meyer's Press Graphic

284 posted on 12/14/2001 5:22:26 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Elmer Fudd: Your time for the fireball is possibly garbage. McClaine stated that the illumination from the fireball showed debris hitting the water. Therefore the fireball time should precede the earliest time for heavy debris to impact the water. Fireball should approximate 20:31:40 plus or minus. This would be 28 seconds after the IE. The wing debris may have spun similar to a Chinese Elm tree seed. Some noted that the spikes coming from the fireball did spin. Ignition of the fireball likely came from the fire in the cabin debris. Whatever attachment of the wings to one another likely separated during the fireball if not sooner. If the wing elements did spin similar to Elm seeds, that would explain why the wing descent was slower than other debris. Your question on the time for the SM-2 hybrid ascent could be answered by yourself since I haven't a clue. I recognize that a change in direction took place and do not know how much that could have attenuated the total time. Is it true that the mystery plane was a drone acting as a backup target in case the missile missed the sled? An accident such as this one was not caused due to bad planning rather bad luck in that the TWA800 happened to be running late and the entry of the P3 prevented it from climbing to FL190 as originally intended. Murphy seems to fuck things up at the worst possible time. It was a collection of all sorts of things happening at the wrong time. The P3 may have lit the burner on the sled early and that contributed but the total test may have been too complex for all to stay in sync. At one time, I felt that the sled was let down too early but it had to be let down early and the only variable would be when the burner came on. If that occurred 12 minutes later, at the mid point of the mystery plane flight, the TWA flight could have cleared the area and we would not be discussing the crash. It appears that the P3 arrived on the scene 12 minutes early and presented a lit burner to the missile shooter and it fired 12 minutes early as well. This is the best scenario that I can come up with. I have to guess that the test was to occur southwest of where it did occur. 12 minutes at 5+ miles per minute could place the test area 60 miles away. But the 12 minutes is only a conjecture. Maybe 6 minutes could be the differential. A 30 mile measure from the actual site could be more reasonable. Flip a coin.
285 posted on 12/14/2001 6:11:46 PM PST by barf
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